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    What do we do?

    Lets try to start some talk!

    So what do we do? I am excited to be honest its something new for probably most of us DRW fans....we are not going to be a playoff team, we are going to be sellers and see what KH can do. There is a move I want us to make before the deadline and then one before the draft that would both address our blue line.

    Trade Deadline:
    Vanek+Smith (retain half on both) for Ville Pokka package
    Or
    Same above from Detroit for Derrick Pouliot package

    In both cases each team get Vanek, a productive forward for a playoff run at cheap and they could still shop for more. Vanek also would replace Sheary for Pitt in the short term leading up to the playoffs.

    Smith for both teams would fill a good depth role, especially with Pitt seemingly always having injuries on the backend. It works long term for Chicago as well, as they will probably have to trade Seabrook or Hjal in the offseason to make room for their new contracts of Panarin and other forwards.

    In return we get a puck moving could be #2 defensemen. I view them both as the same tier type prospect, both fitting exactly what we need in a smooth skating puck mover that could help our reboot. I think they both have the upside of a #2 type D easily if they keep their projection. I don't think this trades are crazy lopsided either way, and land us an import piece we need. We have good young forward prospects, we need to stock up on D.

    The next move I would make would be at the draft and I am not sure how we get it done but I have a few ideas. I target the Wild and either Brodin or Dumba with a couple ideas of how to get it done.

    I think we could work something out where we take Pominville (5.6m) and his terrible contract and we protect him for the expansion draft and in return buy low on Dumba (2.5m) or Brodin (4.16). We work the cap out by flipping them Nyquist (4.75m) our 2nd or third round pick and Sproul/Jensen. We take on salary, but after shedding Vanek (2.6m), Smith (2.75m) and then Nyquist we are either in the case of Brodin shed 1m'ish in cap only or in the case of Dumba actually shed 1-2m'ish.

    So this allows MN to protect all their core forwards in Nino, Coyle, Granlund, Zucker, Parise, Staal and Koivu. It was also given they are probably going to protect for sure Suter and Spurgeon then either Brodin or Dumba then I think move the other for assets. They have good young ready D prospects in Reilly and Olofsson and Sproul/Jensen would be another NHL quality bottom pairing D to replace if those guys aren't ready (even tho they probably are) which is where Dumba is really playing right now anyways.

    For us it means we have to protect Pominville and Nielsen, Z is given, Mantha, AA and then it really doesn't matter (could be Helm and Abby, or maybe they deem Jurco is worth it). I think Holland will make one of those not allowed deals with Tatar to wait until after the draft to resign for maybe a tiny bump. So it doesn't hurt our expansion draft plans, just adds a bad cap hit for the next two years but maybe he can bounce back like Vanek did and then we can move for more assets for the big 2018 draft.

    If both of these things happen we gain 2 extremely young building blocks on our back end. I honestly feel like Kronwall with his injuries and then his poor play even by his standards might retire early and take a job in the front office or in player development. Then we make a hard run at Shattenkirk. We also still have our 3 goalies to deal with which is ANOTHER asset we can move for long term pieces on either the back end, forwards or maybe a draft piece for again the very good looking 2018 draft. Pair that with our top 5ish pick (which I really hope lands us Timothy Liljgren or Nico Hischir or Vilardi) and we have a solid off season. We promote youngsters to take the spots we lost, give Jurco a true top 9 chance and give Bert or Nosek a spot in the bottom. So our line-up:

    Tatar-Z-Mantha
    Larkin-Nielsen-Pominville
    Helm-AA-Abby
    Bert-Glen-Riley

    Shattenkirk-Brodin/Dumba
    DDK-X
    Pokka/Pouliot-Marchenko/Big E

    I don't think that is a bad hard re-build line up guys. Big dreams but your thoughts? I don't think any of the things I have said here are way out of the park like trading for Malkin. Its small moves that could help us hard reboot. I think the biggest stretch would be signing Shattenkirk but we would have the cap space and could maybe overpay him a little to come here.

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    Picks, picks, picks.

    If we can sell anyone off for picks then I think we should do it. Green, Smith, Jurco, and Vanek could all fetch some draft help. Hell, if someone bites on Gus or Tats then we should considered to be moved. I still really want Shattenkirk but I concede that I don't know if adding him now would be a wise part of the rebuild. By the time we properly rebuild he'll be in his 30's. Will he even want to go to the dumpster fire/rebuilding process that the Wings currently are.

    What I think will happen? Nothing. The Wings will stand pat with their "talent" and make moves in the offseason.

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    Assuming we draft at like 7th. I think you hope for a Timothy Liljigren slip or possibly trade down a tad to select Elias Petterson.

    Hope for Darren Helm to be selected by Las Vegas which there cleans up about 4M.

    Tons of rumoured D available in the offseason which includes Jacob Trouba, Noah Hanafin, Justin Faulk, and in free agency like Kevin Shattenkirk and Karl Alzner. Shattenkirk should sign a massive contract and defensive defensemen headed towards UFA scare me away every single time. Jonathan Drouin is a forward rumoured to be available but I don't see the pieces.

    Trade Ryan Sproul for a third rounder.
    Re-sign Tomas Tatar to 4.5M over 6 years. Takes up his entire peak.
    AA you might be able to get 2.7M total over 2 years.
    XO, 1.25M AAV over 1-2 years.
    Let Drew Miller go.
    Free agency, Kenny is going to look at Jaromir Jagr and Thomas Vanek I think. Always wanted Jagr in a Wing uniform but Vanek 2 years at 3.5 AAV makes sense.

    Here is where we get ****ing crazy. You trade Petr Mrazek for Jacob Trouba. You then sign Ryan Miller to a 2 year deal worth 3.5M AAV as well. Worry is Trouba's next contract. You take that risk.

    Would look to bring back Tom McCollum to Grand Rapids, have him pair up with Jake Paterson. Jared Coreau IMO, never turns into something crazy and needs waivers. You can find goalies. A lot of unsigned college goalies (Coreau) turn into something. Tampa found Bishop out of Cory Conacher. Ottawa just grabbed Mike Condin for nothing. Roberto Luongo, bad contract or not returned to Florida for nothing.

    Something about Evander Kane screams available. He scores 5 on 5, but not sure I love the fit with him personally. Plays the same style as Abby but has hands, a shot, and is just overall so much better. Wish he had Abby's attitude though. You basically run a similar line-up next season.

    Nyquist-Zetterberg-Tatar
    Vanek-Nielsen-AA
    Abby-Larkin-Mantha
    Nosek-Glendening-Sheahan
    Lorito (probably sign someone else too, Ott reunion? Pirri?)

    DeKeyser-Trouba
    Kronwall/Ericsson-Green
    Ouellet-Jensen

    Howard
    Miller

    Have pieces to deal too with second round picks, Ryan Sproul, Jared Coreau, etc. Could possibly grab a top nine piece. A healthy year, and not a terrible D as Green looked good with Kronny (was awesome all year, Green that is), Jensen and XO being very stable and DeKeyser-Trouba potential.. could land back in the playoffs while letting Svech, Pete, Bertuzzi etc develop. Hoping for Lil though in the draft, a RHD coming up. VS/Hronek will be in GR. Russo will see some more NHL time as well.

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    Hope for Darren Helm to be selected by Las Vegas which there cleans up about 4M.


    We can only hope and pray that they take Helm.

    Welcome back btw.

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    Well a little sunshine in the play off race. The Preds swept Chicago. Small hockey victories.

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    Yeah, that left me smiling. Now all I need is Pittsburgh to lose and the back-to-back cup streak lives.

    As far as what we can do, I'd like to dump Abby but with him getting the A on his jersey and having to dump a pick into getting rid of him I don't see it happening. Shame as this could have been avoided but you come to expect failure from Ken.
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    You all know I am a GMKH fan and apologist...but how in the world does Arizona get a third and a prospect for Mike Smith but we can't unload Howard? 2 years older, worse year and a higher cap hit and yet we can't find a suitor? The only thing I can say here is that Cal has some organizational connections to Arizona so I could understand a little bit I guess but still.

    The only way this makes sense to me, is if we know Vegas is taking Sheahan and think Nosek is taking his spot and are not planning on making huge strides next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pidg88 View Post
    You all know I am a GMKH fan and apologist...but how in the world does Arizona get a third and a prospect for Mike Smith but we can't unload Howard? 2 years older, worse year and a higher cap hit and yet we can't find a suitor? The only thing I can say here is that Cal has some organizational connections to Arizona so I could understand a little bit I guess but still.

    The only way this makes sense to me, is if we know Vegas is taking Sheahan and think Nosek is taking his spot and are not planning on making huge strides next year.
    Jimmy Howard has played 36 and 26 games in his past two seasons. Some of those are reliefs, not starts. Last season was his first above .910% since 12/13. He is always injured. Mike Smith, although I'm not a fan, he at least plays. He is super average though. I personally cannot stand his A) whining and B) diving. You can't play a game against Arizona without a stop in play due to him being down, in which he's then fine. Doesn't seem like a great lockerroom player, similar to Ryan Miller. With that said if we lose Howard, I do want Miller. I'm not a Jared Coreau fan.

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    I will admit I am not really a Coreau fan, but I think he could be a backup and play 20 games and do fine. I get Jimmy hasn't been healthy but he was ran into this year, and when he came back both in the NHL and internationally was above average. If you tell me we can lose Howard for 25% retain and get a third I would do it as that would free up ~4m in cap space and net us an asset for something we may get nothing for.

    I wouldn't mind Ryan Miller as a back up tho, I think he would come and decently cheap.

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    He's still injury prone and unreliable. Jared Coreau ****ing sucked up. He's an okay back-up maybe at some point. He needs a specific goalie coach that will help him use his body. He will have to be super technical as he's not overly athletic to me at least.

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    I do not think he was horrible up, and he at some points carried the Griffins in the playoffs. I agree he is not the most athletic and needs to work on his head and body movement (Sean Burke where are you?) but I think he could be an alright backup and maybe a late blooming starter but probably not.

    Injury prone? Eh, unreliable? Yeah maybe a little, but it seems at times when he is motivated (like trying to win a job) he plays well. But I could say the same about Mike Smith's performances the last two years, so again if Arizona can get a third out of retaining 25% then we should be able to do the same.

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    Also in other news, it sounds like XO was the odd one out between him and Jensen for protected player on our back end. That means Vegas is most likely to pick between XO and Sheahan, and to be honest I think we have a replacement in Nosek for Sheahan, where we don't really have an organizational replacement for XO.

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    Well thats a little bit of a surprise Howard over Petr....I don't think VGK would take Mrazek as their starter or as an expensive backup but they do need to reach the cap floor.

    I still think I go to VGK and ask what it takes to get them to draft Dumba and flip him to us. I don't really want to give up the #9 pick, or next years first rounder as it should be a good draft, but I wonder if there is another way we could get it to work.

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    Matt Dumba really doesn't improve the team enough. Take the draft pick, and build for a team in 5-6 years. I think Vegas takes Mrazek. They have the cap space and value wise, he's our highest of that. This was a stupid decision. Mrazek has been a star and outperformed Howie every single season but one. He's 8 years younger, and cheaper.

    Holland seemingly ****ed the franchise over here and I am a Holland supporter. Now we have holes for that top line forward, a top pairing defenseman, and now a goalie.

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    No reason to protect Howard, Abby and DDK were obvious Holland protections, never expected anything else. Exposing Mrazek has to be one of the most boneheaded decisions of late.

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