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    The MVP Award's History Regarding WAR, HR, OPS+, and Standings

    This took a bit of time, but I was interested in the history of voting for the MVP and how these particular stats reflect in the results. I chose WAR and HR because they seem to be respected here for the most part by many members. I chose OPS+ and standings simply because I was interested in them.

    I also posted some stats regarding pitchers and the MVP award as it interest me as I was doing this.

    I started the MVP analysis from 1931 as that was the first year the BBWA started their version.

    PERCENTAGES:

    68.6% of all MVP winners were from teams who won their division/league.
    86.6% of all MVP winners were from teams 2 place or higher in their division/league.

    5.8% of all MVP winners were a member of a team lower in the standings than the WAR leader whose team won their division/league. 6.4% if 2015 is counted.
    7.6% of all MVP winners were a member of a team lower in the standings than the WAR leader whose team was higher in the standings. 8.1% if 2015 is counted.

    12.8% of all MVP winners are pitchers.
    90.9% of the MVP winning pitchers’ team were in 1st in their division/league.
    50% of the MVP winning pitchers won the MVP award before the CY Young award was created in 1956, the first 25yrs of the MVP award.
    22% of the MVP winners were pitchers before the CY Young award was created in 1956, the first 25yrs of the MVP award.
    9% of the MVP winners were pitchers after the CY Young award was created in 1956.
    40.9% of the MVP winning pitchers lead the league in WAR

    33.1% of WAR leaders won the MVP
    56.9% of WAR leading MVP winners were from teams who won their division/league.
    75.4% of WAR leading MVP winners were from teams 2 place or higher in their division/league.
    60.8% of WAR leaders who DID NOT win the MVP were from teams 3rd place or LOWER

    36.6% of WAR leaders were pitchers
    14.5% of WAR leading pitchers won the MVP
    77.8% of WAR leading pitchers who won the MVP won them before the CY Young award was created in 1956, the first 25yrs of the MVP award.
    57.4% of WAR leading pitchers who DID NOT win the MVP were from teams 3rd place or LOWER

    23.8% of the MVP Winners were the Home Run Kings
    19.8% of WAR leaders were the Home Run Kings.
    37.8% of OPS+ leaders were the Home Run Kings

    16.2% of the time has a player lead in WAR, HR’s, and OPS+ in one year
    42.9% of players who lead in WAR, HR’s, and OPS+ that one year won the MVP award
    28.6% of players who lead in WAR, HR’s, and OPS+ that one year were from teams 3rd place or LOWER
    75% of players who lead in WAR, HR’s, and OPS+ and were from teams 3rd place or LOWER that one year who DID NOT win the MVP
    10.7% of the time has a player who lead in WAR, HR’s, and OPS+ loss the MVP to a player whose team placed lower than theirs in the standings
    Last edited by thefeckcampaign; 01-04-2017 at 06:26 PM. Reason: added a couple more stats
    Quote Originally Posted by Crucis View Post
    Parity is about equality of opportunity, not equality of results.

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    Other Interesting Tidbits You May or May Not Know –

    1956 is the only time a player won WAR, HR, and OPS+ in the same year and whose team was in first place loss the MVP to a pitcher; Don Newcombe over Duke Snider.

    1958 is the only time a player won WAR, HR, and OPS+ in the same year and whose team was in first place loss the MVP to a player whose team was lower ranked; Jackie Jensen over Mickey Mantle.

    2006, 1998, 1986, 1983, 1978, 1966, 1962, 1958, 1952, and 1937 were the only years that a member of lower standings won the MVP over someone whose team won the division and had the highest WAR. They were Ryan Howard over Albert Pujols, Sammy Sosa over Kevin Brown, Mike Schmidt over Mike Scott, Dale Murphy over John Denny, Jim Rice over Ron Guidry, Roberto Clemente over Sandy Koufax, Maury Wills over Willie Mays, Jackie Jenson over Mickey Mantle, Hank Sauer over Jackie Robinson, and Charlie Gehringer over Lefty Gomez respectively.

    Ichiro in 2001 won over his own teammate in Bret Boone who had a higher WAR as with Jeff Kent in 2000 over Barry Bonds, 1973 Rose over Morgan, 1961 Marris over Mantle, 1955 Berra over Mantle, 1951 Roy Campanella over Jackie Robinson, 1944 Marty Marion over Stan Musial & Hal Newhouser over Dizzy Trout, and 1941 Dolph Camilli over Whit Wyatt. Don Newcombe over Snider in 1956 was the same, but he’s the only pitcher to do so.

    In 2008, Nick Markakis did not receive one MVP vote though he lead the league in WAR. His team was in 5th place.

    In 1984, though Cal Ripken’s highest WAR doubled that of winner MVP Willie Hernandez’s, he only received 1 vote.

    Rodriguez WAR almost doubled Gonzalez in ’98 yet Gonzalez beat him in average, doubles, slugging, OPS, HR & RBI.

    Griffey’s WAR almost triples Gonzalez’ in 1996. Clemens’ 8.9 does the same to Eckersley’s 2.9 in ’92. Puckett was the closest position player at 7.1. In Eckersley’s case his ERA & WHIP were significantly lower than Clemens’.

    Though in first place as well, Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux’s WAR doubles Vaughn and Larkin’s respectively in ’95 and still loses the MVP.

    In 1987 Tony Gwynn’s WAR doubled MVP Dawson’s and both were in last place. Even Ozzie Smith was 2 WAR higher than Dawson and on a division winning team.

    1985 Dwight Gooden had 5 more WAR than the next highest in John Tudor and MVP winner Willie McGee. 1934 Lou Gehrig had 6 more WAR than winner Mickey Cochrane.

    1979 Willie Stargell’s 2.5 WAR was the lowest of any winner.

    1975 3 AL pitchers had more WAR than the winner Fred Lynn.
    Last edited by thefeckcampaign; 01-13-2017 at 09:22 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crucis View Post
    Parity is about equality of opportunity, not equality of results.

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    Bold = MVP Winner, ( ) = Team Standings, * = Pitcher

    1931 AL Lefty Grove (1)* – Babe Ruth WAR (2) – Lou Gehrig/Babe Ruth HR (2) – Babe Ruth OPS+ (2)
    NL Frankie Frisch (1) – Watty Clark WAR (4)* -- Chuck Klein HR (6) – Rogers Hornsby OPS+ (3)

    1932 AL Jimmie Foxx (2) – Jimmie Foxx WAR (2) – Jimmie Foxx HR (2) – Jimmie Foxx OPS+ (2)
    NL Chuck Klein (4) – Mel Ott WAR (6) – Chuck Klein/Mel Ott HR (4/6) – Mel Ott OPS+ (6)

    1933 AL Jimmie Foxx (3) – Jimmie Foxx WAR (3) – Jimmie Foxx HR (3) – Jimmie Foxx OPS+ (3)
    NL Carl Hubbell (1)* – Carl Hubbell WAR (1)* -- Chuck Klein HR (7) – Chuck Klein OPS+ (7)

    1934 AL Mickey Cochrane (1) – Lou Gehrig WAR (2) – Lou Gehrig HR (2) – Lou Gehrig OPS+ (2)
    NL Dizzy Dean (1)* -- Dizzy Dean WAR (1)* - Ripper Collins & Mel Ott HR(1/2) -- Mel Ott OPS+(2)

    1935 AL Hank Greenberg (1) -- Wes Ferrell WAR (4)* -- Jimmie Foxx & Hank Greenberg HR (8/1) Jimmie Foxx OPS+ (8)
    NL Gabby Hartnett (1) – Arky Vaughn WAR (4) -- Wally Berger HR (8) Arky Vaughan OPS+ (4)

    1936 AL Lou Gehrig (1) – Lefty Grove WAR (6)* -- Lou Gehrig HR (1) -- Lou Gehrig OPS+ (1)
    NL Carl Hubbell (1)* -- Carl Hubbell WAR (1)* -- Mel Ott HR (1) -- Mel Ott OPS+ (1)

    1937 AL Charlie Gehringer (2) – Lefty Gomez WAR (1)* -- Joe DiMaggio HR (1) -- Lou Gehrig OPS+ (1)
    NL Joe Medwick (4) -- Joe Medwick WAR (4) --Joe Medwick & Mel Ott HR (4/1) –
    Joe Medwick OPS+ (4)

    1938 AL Jimmie Foxx (2) -- Jimmie Foxx WAR (2) -- Hank Greenberg HR (4) -- Jimmie Foxx OPS (2)
    NL Ernie Lombardi (4) – Mel Ott WAR (3) -- Mel Ott HR (3) -- Mel Ott OPS+ (3)

    1939 AL Joe DiMaggio (1) – Bob Feller WAR (3)* -- Jimmie Foxx HR (2) -- Jimmie Foxx OPS+ (2)
    NL Bucky Walters (1)* -- Bucky Walters WAR (1)* -- Johnny Mize HR (2) -- Johnny Mize OPS+ (2)

    1940 AL Hank Greenberg (1) – Bob Feller WAR (2)* -- Hank Greenberg HR (1) –
    Joe DiMaggio OPS+ (3)
    NL Frank McCormick (1) – Johnny Mize WAR (3) -- Johnny Mize HR (3) -- Johnny Mize OPS+ (3)

    1941 AL Joe DiMaggio (1) – Ted Williams WAR (2) -- Ted Williams HR (2) -- Ted Williams OPS+ (2)
    NL Dolph Camilli (1) – Whit Wyatt WAR (1) -- Dolph Camilli HR (1) -- Pete Reiser OPS+ (1)

    1942 AL Joe Gordon (1) – Ted Williams WAR (2) -- Ted Williams HR (2) -- Ted Williams OPS+ (2)
    NL Mort Cooper (1)* -- Mort Cooper WAR (1)* -- Mel Ott HR (3) -- Mel Ott OPS+ (3)

    1943 AL Spud Chandler (1)* -- Lou Boudreau WAR (3) -- Rudy York HR (5) -- Charlie Keller OPS+ (1)
    NL Stan Musial (1) -- Stan Musial WAR (1) -- Bill Nicholson HR (5) -- Stan Musial OPS+ (1)

    1944 AL Hal Newhouser (2)* -- Dizzy Trout WAR (2)* -- Nick Etten HR (3)-- Bob Johnson OPS+ (4)
    NL Marty Marion (1) – Stan Musial WAR (1) -- Bill Nicholson HR (4)-- Stan Musial OPS+ (1)

    1945 AL Hal Newhouser (1)*--Hal Newhouser WAR (1)*--Vern Stephens HR (3)
    Snuffy Stirnweiss OPS+ (4)
    NL Phil Cavarretta (1) Tommy Holmes WAR (6)-Tommy Holmes HR (6)-Tommy Holmes OPS+ (6)

    1946 AL Ted Williams (1) – Ted Williams WAR (1) -- Hank Greenberg HR (2) -- Ted Williams OPS+ (1)
    NL Stan Musial (1) -- Stan Musial WAR (1) -- Ralph Kiner HR (7) -- Stan Musial OPS+ (1)

    1947 AL Joe DiMaggio (1) – Ted Williams WAR (3) -- Ted Williams HR (3) -- Ted Williams HR (3)
    NL Bob Elliott (3) --Warren Spahn WAR (3)*- Ralph Kiner & Johnny Mize HR (7/4)
    Ralph Kiner OPS+ (7)

    1948 AL Lou Boudreau (1) -- Lou Boudreau WAR (1) -- Joe DiMaggio HR (3) -- Ted Williams OPS+ (2)
    NL Stan Musial (2) -- Stan Musial WAR (2) - Ralph Kiner & Johnny Mize HR (4/5)
    Stan Musial OPS+ (2)

    1949 AL Ted Williams (2) – Ted Williams WAR (2) -- Ted Williams HR (2) -- Ted Williams OPS+ (2)
    NL Jackie Robinson (1) -- Jackie Robinson WAR (1) -- Ralph Kiner HR (6) -- Ralph Kiner OPS+ (6)

    1950 AL Phil Rizzuto (1) – Ned Garver WAR (7)* -- Al Rosen HR (4) -- Larry Doby OPS+ (4)
    NL Jim Konstanty (1)* -- Eddie Stanky WAR (3) -- Ralph Kiner HR (8) -- Stan Musial OPS+ (5)

    1951 AL Yogi Berra (1) – Ted Williams WAR (3) -- Gus Zernial HR (-) -- Ted Williams OPS+ (3)
    NL Roy Campanella (2) – Jackie Robinson WAR (2) -- Ralph Kiner HR (7) -- Ralph Kiner OPS+ (7)

    1952 AL Bobby Shantz(4)*-- Bobby Shantz WAR (4)* -- Larry Doby HR (2) -- Larry Doby OPS+ (2)
    NL Hank Sauer (5) – Robin Roberts WAR (4)* & Jackie Robinson WAR (1)
    Ralph Kiner & Hank Sauer HR (8/5) - Stan Musial OPS+ (3)

    1953 AL Al Rosen (2) – Al Rosen WAR (2) -- Al Rosen HR (2) -- Al Rosen OPS+ (2)
    NL Roy Campanella (1) – Robin Roberts WAR (4)* - Eddie Mathews HR (3) - Al Rosen OPS+ (2)

    1954 AL Yogi Berra (2) -- Minnie Minoso WAR (3) - Larry Doby HR (1) – Al Rosen OPS+ (1)
    NL Willie Mays (1) – Willie Mays WAR (1) - Ted Kluszewski HR (5) - Willie Mays OPS+ (1)

    1955 AL Yogi Berra (1) –Mickey Mantle WAR (1) - Mickey Mantle HR (1) - Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Roy Campanella (1) – Willie Mays WAR (3) - Willie Mays HR (3) - Willie Mays OPS+ (3)

    1956 AL Mickey Mantle(1) –Mickey Mantle WAR (1) - Mickey Mantle HR (1) - Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Don Newcombe (1)* – Duke Snider WAR (1) & Willie Mays WAR (6) - Duke Snider HR (1) Duke Snider OPS+ (1)

    1957 AL Mickey Mantle (1) – Mickey Mantle WAR (1) - Roy Sievers HR (8) - Ted Williams OPS+ (3)
    NL Hank Aaron (1) – Willie Mays WAR (6) - Hank Aaron HR (1) - Willie Mays OPS+ (6)

    1958 AL Jackie Jensen (3) – Mickey Mantle WAR (1) - Mickey Mantle HR (1) - Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Ernie Banks (5) – Willie Mays WAR (3) - Ernie Banks HR (5) - Willie Mays OPS+ (3)

    1959 AL Nellie Fox (1) -- Camilo Pascual WAR (8)* - Rocky Colavito & Harmon Killebrew HR (2/8) - Mickey Mantle OPS+ (3)
    NL Ernie Banks (6) -- Ernie Banks WAR (6) - Eddie Mathews HR (2) - Hank Aaron OPS+ (2)

    1960 AL Roger Marris (1) – Roger Marris WAR (1) - Mickey Mantle HR (1) - Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Dick Groat (1) – Willie Mays WAR (5) - Ernie Banks HR (7) - Frank Robinson OPS+ (6)

    1961 AL Roger Maris (1) – Mickey Mantle WAR (1) - Roger Maris HR (1) - Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Frank Robinson (1) – Hank Aaron WAR (4) -Orlando Cepeda (3) - Frank Robinson OPS+ (1)

    1962 AL Mickey Mantle (1) -- Camilo Pascual WAR (2)* - Harmon Killebrew HR (2)
    Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Maury Wills (2) – Willie Mays WAR (1) - Willie Mays HR (1) - Frank Robinson OPS+ (3)

    1963 AL Elston Howard (1) -- Bob Allison WAR (3) - Harmon Killebrew HR (3) - Bob Allison OPS+ (3)
    NL Sandy Koufax (1)* – Willie Mays WAR (3) - Hank Aaron & Willie McCovey HR (6/3)
    Hank Aaron OPS+ (6)

    1964 AL Brooks Robinson (3) – Dean Chance WAR (5)* - Harmon Killebrew HR (6)
    Mickey Mantle OPS+ (1)
    NL Ken Boyer (1) – Willie Mays WAR (4) - Willie Mays HR (4) - Willie Mays OPS+ (4)

    1965 AL Zoilo Versalles (1) -- Sam McDowell WAR (5)* - Tony ConigliaroHR (9)
    Carl Yastrzemski OPS+ (9)
    NL Willie Mays (2) – Willie Mays WAR (2) - Willie Mays HR (2) - Willie Mays OPS+ (2)

    1966 AL Frank Robinson (1) – Earl Wilson WAR (3 & 9)* - Frank Robinson (1) – Frank Robinson (1)
    NL Roberto Clemente (3) – Sandy Koufax WAR (1)* - Hank Aaron HR (5) – Dick Allen OPS+ (4)

    1967 AL Carl Yastrzemski (1) -- Carl Yastrzemski WAR (1)
    Carl Yastrzemski & Harmon Killebrew HR (1/2) - Carl Yastrzemski OPS+ (1)
    NL Orlando Cepeda (1) – Ron Santo WAR (3) - Hank Aaron HR (7) - Dick Allen OPS+ (5)

    1968 AL Denny McClain (1)* -- Carl Yastrzemski WAR (4) - Frank Howard HR (10)
    Carl Yastrzemski OPS+ (4)
    NL Bob Gibson (1)* - Bob Gibson WAR (1)* - Willie McCovey HR (2) - Willie McCovey OPS+ (2)

    1969 AL Harmon Killebrew (1) -- Rico Petrocelli WAR (3) – Harmon Killebrew HR (1)
    Reggie Jackson OPS+ (2)
    NL Willie McCovey (2) – Bob Gibson WAR (4)* - Willie McCovey HR (2) - Willie McCovey OPS+ (2)

    1970 AL Boog Powell (1) - Carl Yastrzemski WAR (3) - Frank Howard HR (6)
    Carl Yastrzemski OPS+ (3)
    NL Johnny Bench (1) – Bob Gibson WAR (4)* - Johnny Bench HR (1) - Willie McCovey OPS+ (3)

    1971 AL Vida Blue (1)* – Willbur Wood WAR (3)* - Bill Melton HR (3) - Bobby Murcer OPS+ (4)
    NL Joe Torre (2) – Fergie Jenkins WAR (3)* - Willie Stargell HR (1) - Hank Aaron OPS+ (3)

    1972 AL Dick Allen (2) – Gaylord Perry WAR (5)* - Dick Allen HR (2) - Dick Allen OPS+ (2)
    NL Johnny Bench (1) -- Steve Carlton WAR (6)* - Johnny Bench HR (1) - Billy Williams OPS+ (2)

    1973 AL Reggie Jackson (1) – Bert Blyleven WAR (3)* - Reggie Jackson HR (1)
    Reggie Jackson OPS+ (1)
    NL Pete Rose (1) – Tom Seaver WAR (1)* - Willie Stargell HR (3) - Willie Stargell OPS+ (3)

    1974 AL Jeff Burroughs (2) – Gaylord Perry WAR (4)* - Dick Allen HR (4) - Reggie Jackson OPS+ (1)
    NL Steve Garvey (1) – Mike Schmidt WAR (3) - Mike Schmidt HR (3) - Willie Stargell OPS+ (1)

    1975 AL Fred Lynn (1) – Jim Palmer WAR (2)* - Reggie Jackson & George Scott HR (1/5) John Mayberry OPS+ (2)
    NL Joe Morgan (1) – Joe Morgan WAR (1) - Mike Schmidt HR (2) - Joe Morgan OPS+ (1)

    1976 AL Thurman Munson (1) -- Mark Fidrych WAR (5)* - Graig Nettles HR (1)
    Reggie Jackson OPS+ (2)
    NL Joe Morgan (1) -- Joe Morgan WAR (1) - Mike Schmidt HR (1) - Joe Morgan OPS+ (1)

    1977 AL Rod Carew (4) – Rod Carew WAR (4) – Jim Rice HR (2) - Rod Carew OPS+ (4)
    NL George Foster (2) Rick Reuschel WAR (4)* - George Foster HR (2) - Reggie Smith OPS+ (1)

    1978 AL Jim Rice (2) – Ron Guidry WAR (1)* - Jim Rice HR (2) - Jim Rice OPS+ (2)
    NL Dave Parker (2) – Phil Niekro WAR (6)* - George Foster HR (2) - Dave Parker OPS+ (2)

    1979 AL Don Baylor (1) – Fred Lynn WAR (3) - Gorman Thomas HR (2) - Fred Lynn OPS+ (3)
    NL Willie Stargell (1) & Keith Hernandez (3) – Dave Winfield WAR (5)- Dave Kingman HR (5) Dave Winfield OPS+ (5)

    1980 AL George Brett (1) -- George Brett WAR (1) - Reggie Jackson & Ben Oglivie HR (1/3) George Brett OPS+ (1)
    NL Mike Schmidt (1) – Steve Carlton WAR (1)* - Mike Schmidt HR (1) - Mike Schmidt OPS+ (1)

    1981 AL Rollie Fingers (1)* – Dwight Evans WAR (2) - Tony Armas, Dwight Evans, Bobby Grich & Eddie Murray (1/2/4/2) - Fred Lynn OPS+ (2)
    NL Mike Schmidt (1) – Mike Schmidt WAR (1) - Mike Schmidt HR (1) – Mike Schmidt OPS+ (1)

    1982 AL Robin Yount (1) – Robin Yount WAR (1) - Reggie Jackson & Gorman Thomas (1/2) Robin Yount OPS+ (1)
    NL Dale Murphy (1) – Gary Carter WAR (3) - Dave Kingman HR (6) - Mike Schmidt OPS+ (2)

    1983 AL Cal Ripken (1) -- Cal Ripken WAR (1) - Jim Rice HR (6) - George Brett OPS+ (2)
    NL Dale Murphy (2) – John Denny WAR (1)* - Mike Schmidt HR (1) - Mike Schmidt OPS+ (1)

    1984 AL Willie Hernandez (1)* – Cal Ripken WAR (5) - Tony Armas HR (4) - Eddie Murray OPS+ (5)
    NL Ryne Sandberg (1) -- Ryne Sandberg WAR (1) - Mike Schmidt HR (4)- Mike Schmidt OPS+ (4)

    1985 AL Don Mattingly (2) – Rickey Henderson WAR (2) - Darrell Evans HR (3) – George Brett OPS+ (1)
    NL Willie McGee (1) – Dwight Gooden WAR (2)* - Dale Murphy HR (5) - Pedro Guerrero OPS+ (1)

    1986 AL Roger Clemens (1)* - Teddy Higuera WAR (6)* - Jesse Barfield HR (4) - Don Mattingly OPS+ (2)
    NL Mike Schmidt (2) – Mike Scott WAR (1)* - Mike Schmidt HR (2) - Mike Schmidt OPS+ (2)

    1987 AL George Bell (2) – Roger Clemens WAR (5)* - Mark McGwire HR (3) - Wade Boggs OPS+ (5)
    NL Andre Dawson (6) – Tony Gwynn WAR (6) - Andre Dawson HR (6) - Jack Clark OPS+ (1)

    1988 AL Jose Canseco (1) -- Wade Boggs WAR (1) - Jose Canseco HR (1) - Jose Canseco OPS+ (1)
    NL Kirk Gibson (1) -- Orel Hershiser WAR (1)* - Darryl Strawberry HR (1)
    Darryl Strawberry OPS+ (1)

    1989 AL Robin Yount (4) – Bret Saberhagen WAR (2)* - Fred McGriff HR (1) - Fred McGriff OPS+ (1)
    NL Kevin Mitchell (1) – Lonnie Smith WAR (6) - Kevin Mitchell HR (1) - Kevin Mitchell OPS+ (1)

    1990 AL Rickey Henderson (1) – Roger Clemens WAR (1)* - Cecil Fielder HR (3)
    Rickey Henderson OPS+ (1)
    NL Barry Bonds (1) – Barry Bonds WAR (1) – Ryne Sandberg HR (4) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (1)

    1991 AL Cal Ripken (6) – Cal Ripken WAR (6) - Jose Canseco & Cecil Fielder HR (4/2)
    Frank Thomas OPS+ (2)
    NL Terry Pendleton (1) – Tom Glavine WAR (1)* - Howard Johnson HR (5) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (1)

    1992 AL Dennis Eckersley (1)* - Roger Clemens WAR (7)* - Juan Gonzalez HR (4) –
    Mark McGwire OPS+ (1)
    NL Barry Bonds (1) – Greg Maddux WAR (1)* - Fred McGriff HR (1) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (1)

    1993 AL Frank Thomas (1) – Kevin Appier WAR (3)* - Juan Gonzalez HR (2) - John Olerud OPS+ (1)
    NL Barry Bonds (2) – Jose Rijo WAR (5)* - Barry Bonds HR (2) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (2)

    1994 AL Frank Thomas (1) – Kenny Loften WAR (2) - Ken Griffey HR (3) - Frank Thomas OPS+ (1)
    NL Jeff Bagwell (2) – Greg Maddux WAR (2)* - Matt Williams HR (2) – Jeff Bagwell OPS+ (2)

    1995 AL Mo Vaughn (1) – Randy Johnson WAR (1)* - Albert Belle HR (1) - Edgar Martinez OPS+ (1)
    NL Barry Larkin (1) – Greg Maddux WAR (1)* - Dante Bichette HR (2) - Mike Piazza OPS+ (1)

    1996 AL Juan Gonzalez (1) – Ken Griffey WAR (2) - Mark McGwire HR (3) - Mark McGwire OPS+ (3)
    NL Ken Caminiti (1) -- Barry Bonds WAR (4) - Andres Galarraga HR (3) - Gary Sheffield OPS+ (3)

    1997 AL Ken Griffey (1) – Roger Clemens WAR (5)* - Ken Griffey HR (1) - Frank Thomas OPS+ (2)
    NL Larry Walker (3) -- Larry Walker WAR (3) - Larry Walker HR (3) - Mike Piazza OPS+ (2)

    1998 AL Juan Gonzalez (1) – Alex Rodriguez WAR (3) - Ken Griffey HR (3) - Albert Belle OPS+ (2)
    NL Sammy Sosa (2) – Kevin Brown WAR (1)* - Mark McGwire HR (3)- Mark McGwire OPS+ (3)

    1999 AL Ivan Rodriguez (1) – Pedro Martinez WAR (2)* - Ken Griffey HR (3) - Manny Ramirez OPS+ (1)
    NL Chipper Jones (1)- Randy Johnson WAR (1)* - Mark McGwire HR (4) - Mark McGwire OPS+ (4)

    2000 AL Jason Giambi (1) – Pedro Martinez WAR (2)* - Troy Glaus HR (3) - Jason Giambi OPS+ (1)
    NL Jeff Kent (1) -- Todd Helton WAR (4) - Sammy Sosa HR (6) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (1)

    2001 AL Ichiro Suzuki (1) -- Jason Giambi WAR (2) - Alex Rodriguez HR (4) - Jason Giambi OPS+ (1)
    NL Barry Bonds (2) - Barry Bonds WAR (2) - Barry Bonds HR (2) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (2)

    2002 AL Miguel Tejada (1) -- Alex Rodriguez WAR (4) - Alex Rodriguez HR (4) - Jim Thome OPS+ (3)
    NL Barry Bonds (2) -- Barry Bonds WAR (2) - Sammy Sosa HR (5) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (2)

    2003 AL Alex Rodriguez (4) - Alex Rodriguez WAR (4) - Alex Rodriguez HR (4) - Carlos Delgado OPS+ (3)
    NL Barry Bonds (1) -- Barry Bonds WAR (1) - Jim Thome HR (3) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (1)

    2004 AL Vladimir Guerrero (1) - Ichiro Suzuki WAR (4) - Manny Ramirez HR (2) - Travis Hafner OPS+ (3)
    NL Barry Bonds (2) -- Barry Bonds WAR (2) - Adrian Beltre HR (1) - Barry Bonds OPS+ (2)

    2005 AL Alex Rodriguez (1) - Alex Rodriguez WAR (1) - Alex Rodriguez HR (1) - Alex Rodriguez OPS+ (1)
    NL Albert Pujols (1) --Albert Pujols & Dontrelle Willis WAR (1/3)* - Andruw Jones HR (1)
    Derrek Lee OPS+ (4)

    2006 AL Justin Morneau (1) -- Johan Santana WAR (1)* David Ortiz HR (3) - Travis Hafner OPS+ (4)
    NL Ryan Howard (2) -- Albert Pujols WAR (1) - Ryan Howard HR (2) - Albert Pujols OPS+ (1)

    2007 AL Alex Rodriguez (2) -- Alex Rodriguez WAR (2) - Alex Rodriguez HR (2) - Alex Rodriguez HR (2)
    NL Jimmy Rollins (1) -- Albert Pujols WAR (3) - Prince Fielder HR (3) - Chipper Jones OPS+ (3)

    2008 AL Dustin Pedroia (2) - Nick Markakis WAR (5) - Miguel Cabrera HR (5) - Milton Bradley OPS+ (2)
    NL Albert Pujols (4) -- Albert Pujols WAR (4) - Ryan Howard HR (1) - Albert Pujols OPS+ (4)

    2009 AL Joe Mauer (1) -- Zack Greinke WAR (5)* - Carlos Pena & Mark Teixeira HR (3/1)
    Joe Mauer OPS+ (1)
    NL Albert Pujols (1) -- Albert Pujols WAR (1) - Albert Pujols HR (1) - Albert Pujols OPS+ (1)

    2010 AL Josh Hamilton (1) -- Josh Hamilton WAR (1) - Jose Bautista HR (4) - Miguel Cabrera OPS+ (3)
    NL Joey Votto (1) -- Roy Halladay WAR (1)* - Albert Pujols HR (1) - Albert Pujols OPS+ (1)

    2011 AL Justin Verlander (1)* -- Ben Zobrist WAR (2) - Jose Bautista HR (4) - Jose Bautista OPS+ (4)
    NL Ryan Braun (1) - Cliff Lee WAR (1)* - Matt Kemp HR (3) - Matt Kemp OPS+ (3)

    2012 AL Miguel Cabrera (1) -- Mike Trout WAR (3) - Miguel Cabrera HR (1) - Mike Trout OPS+ (3)
    NL Buster Posey (1) -- Buster Posey WAR (1) - Ryan Braun HR (3) - Buster Posey OPS+ (1)

    2013 AL Miguel Cabrera (1) -- Mike Trout WAR (3) - Chris Davis HR (3) - Miguel Cabrera OPS+ (1)
    NL Andrew McCutchen (1) - Carlos Gomez WAR (4) - Pedro Alvarez & Paul Goldschmidt HR (1/2) Paul Goldschmidt OPS+ (2)

    2014 AL Mike Trout (1) - Mike Trout WAR (1) - Nelson Cruz HR (1) - Jose Abreu OPS+ (4)
    NL Clayton Kershaw (1)* - Clayton Kershaw WAR (1)* - Giancarlo Stanton HR (4)
    Andrew McCutchen OPS+ (2)

    2015 AL Josh Donaldson (1) - Mike Trout WAR (3) - Chris Davis HR (3) - Mike Trout OPS+ (3)
    NL Bryce Harper (2) - Bryce Harper & Zack Greinke WAR (2/1)* -
    Nolan Arenado & Bryce Harper HR (5/2) - Bryce Harper OPS+ (2)

    2016 AL Mike Trout (4) -- Mike Trout WAR (4) - Mark Trumbo HR (2) - Mike Trout OPS+ (4)
    NL Kris Bryant (1) - Kris Bryant WAR (1) Nolan Arenado & Chris Carter HR (3/4)
    Joey Votto OPS+ (5)
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    So 5 years in a row Trout has lead the AL in WAR yet only once the Angels finished higher than 3rd in their division. Says a lot how one players impact has very little to do with the overall team record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    So 5 years in a row Trout has lead the AL in WAR yet only once the Angels finished higher than 3rd in their division. Says a lot how one players impact has very little to do with the overall team record.
    A brilliant player isn't going to turn a crappy team into a good one. If Trout was playing on the Mets for instance, they would've won the east over the Nats. It may have little impact over the teams overall record but a 10 win player can turn a decent team into a great one if properly executed.

    On the note about Ichiro winning the 2001 MVP, Bret Boone was definitely on steroids that year lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    A brilliant player isn't going to turn a crappy team into a good one. If Trout was playing on the Mets for instance, they would've won the east over the Nats. It may have little impact over the teams overall record but a 10 win player can turn a decent team into a great one if properly executed.

    On the note about Ichiro winning the 2001 MVP, Bret Boone was definitely on steroids that year lol
    But that's the entire point. You can't have one great player filled with a bunch of fodder and expect to make the playoffs.
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    What I found most interesting in this study was what appears to be the general brush off pitchers have gotten to win the MVP, especially after the CYA was created. It seems the MVP should be going to pitchers more considering how many times they lead in WAR. Obviously, that is not the case, especially when the winners total for pitchers is only 12.8% and 9% after the CYA was created.

    The other thing is how much standings have really come into play when these writers made their decision since 86.6% of all MVP winners were from teams 2 place or higher in their division/league and 68.6% of all MVP winners were from teams who won their division/league. The fact Willie Stargell won the award with a 2.5 WAR in '79 shows how much they made that decision based on leadership.

    This says a lot too, 75% of players who lead in WAR, HR’s, and OPS+ and were from teams 3rd place or LOWER that one year who DID NOT win the MVP.

    Even within the last 25 years, 94% of all MVP winners were from teams 2nd place or higher in their division/league and 84% were in 1st.

    To top it off, even with the limited amount of pitchers who won the award, 90.9% of the MVP winning pitchers’ team were in 1st in their division/league.
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    Cool. Look at the Cy's. Start with Welch'a win, one of weakest 27 game winning seasons in MLB history.

    Dawson is probably my all time joke MVP. Oops, forgot Tovar.

    Still upset Trout has gotten screwed on the MVP (2). Probably the greatest debut to this point in MLB history.
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    The MVP Award's History Regarding WAR, HR, OPS+, and Standings

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    Cool. Look at the Cy's. Start with Welch'a win, one of weakest 27 game winning seasons in MLB history.
    I might if I get the urge. I definitely do not have as much interest in the CYA and this was a lot of tedious work.

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    Dawson is probably my all time joke MVP. Oops, forgot Tovar.
    What is your thoughts on Stargell and his 2.5 WAR? To me it shows the writers took his leadership highly in consideration.

    Though I was young, I do remember watching that series. It seems Ken Burns feels it was a memorable one as well and he put the story based on Stargell's shoulders.

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    Still upset Trout has gotten screwed on the MVP (2). Probably the greatest debut to this point in MLB history.
    The thing is it is not outside the history of the voting trends. It's obvious that standings have always played a part in who the voters choose. Even within the last 25yrs, when SABR stats have come to light, the percentage of winners from 2nd place or higher went up even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefeckcampaign View Post
    I might if I get the urge. I definitely do not have as much interest in the CYA and this was a lot of tedious work.
    I can believe it.

    What is your thoughts on Stargell and his 2.5 WAR? To me it shows the writers took his leadership highly in consideration.
    If Parker wasn't doing so much blow he probably would have been the guy. Stargell was highly respected, obviously near the end, and he hadn't been recognized, so I think of it as a lifetime achievement award. I forgive that one more than the two I mentioned.


    The thing is it is not outside the history of the voting trends. It's obvious that standings have always played a part in who the voters choose. Even within the last 25yrs, when SABR stats have come to light, the percentage of winners from 2nd place or higher went up even.
    Banks was the exception that proved the rule. They could upgrade the Aaron Award, and make the MVP more open to pitchers. They could separate for best player and MVP too, but won't.

    THis is what you get when you try to use one thing for multiple purposes.
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