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  1. #1021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    which then shows how inept our front office still is...their decision to sign Teague has been a backfire to date.
    Lol backfired based on him being an offensive threat we didn’t have, us being better than any of us thought, or him leading our team in offensive efficiency last night? Not sure how it’s backfired considering those facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    when? I can count on 2 hands the number of times a rotation pass has found Teague for a 3 this year. His so called increased floor spacing ability, is not what we were told it would be. He doesn't space anything.
    Yes he spaces a lot. Dude you must not watch. He hits 3’s from all over Fromm any set and at dagger and crunch times. He won a game early on with his 3 ball explosion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellington19 View Post
    Sigh.

    Can I ask you what you think of a player like Draymond Green?

    He's currently hitting the same amount of 3's as Ricky (which for some reason seems to be your basis of a good player), but at a worse clip (<30%). Would you consider him a cancer to the Warriors?

    Also, aren't you the poster who used to come on and rave about Kris Dunn? Is he a cancer to the Bulls?
    I like both Dunn and Dray. Dray is on the greatest team ever assembled. He’s a big athlete running aroun. Dunn is playing great. And improving as I expect. He’s also another great athlete. You see what Rubio is missin here. That’s a big one when you want to play this game. Especially when you are a horrible shooter and scorer it’s a must in this league, unless you 7 foot. Ask Dennis Rodman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolves88 View Post
    ... or maybe its because we are sick of discussing the same thing for the 100000000000000000000x time?
    Maybe its because maybe the rest of the forum understands the context of how our team works and how thibs coaches? Just because a player fits the system of a said coach better doesn't make X player > Y player. Look at nash as an example. He couldn't play with shaq does that mean shaq sucks or nash sucks? No it means that the system doesn't exist for there respective games...

    Stop killing conversations with your agenda... LITERALLY NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU
    Kid, go to bed. You literally have no idea what the h—- you are talking about. Nash couldn’t play with Shaq because Shaq was 100 years old and weighed 400lbs(not an exaggeration) when they finally played together. If you don’t even know that, why are you typing. Do some research son. Anyone with half a brain knows prime Shaq and prime Nash together wins rings period.

    And really, “we”? When Hawk eats, it makes you sh—?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Lol backfired based on him being an offensive threat we didn’t have, us being better than any of us thought, or him leading our team in offensive efficiency last night? Not sure how it’s backfired considering those facts.
    Adding Butler and Taj has not improved our team? Teague is not the reason for the winning, they are.
    You could literally put 20 PG's in Teague's place and we would have the same record or better. Also, this team was picked to win about 50 games: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...2017-18-season

    Most people in this forum had us winning upper 40's or lower 50's, so you may not have expected us to be this good, but after adding a top 12 player and current MVP candidate, the rest of us knew.

    How many more games do you think we have won due to replacing Ricky with Teague?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Kid, go to bed. You literally have no idea what the h—- you are talking about. Nash couldn’t play with Shaq because Shaq was 100 years old and weighed 400lbs(not an exaggeration) when they finally played together. If you don’t even know that, why are you typing. Do some research son. Anyone with half a brain knows prime Shaq and prime Nash together wins rings period.

    And really, “we”? When Hawk eats, it makes you sh—?
    Dude, quit acting like a douche. Especially one who does not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

    Trying to belittle people by unnecessarily referring to them as "kid" and "son" doesn't make up for the fact that there is no substance to most of your arguments beyond mere opinion. It just makes you seem attention-seeking and annoying.

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    Understand how everyone is frustrated with Wiggins and Teague but have gone to a game recently and watched several this past few weeks pretty close. One thing we have to understand with Teague is he is used to ... like most point guards having the ball in his hands a lot and initiating the offense and playing off that. This is a new role as he does this about 25 % of the time with Butler and others starting things the other 75% of the time..... Really hard to figure out this strategy. When he does initiate and is "engaged" he plays pretty well as he seems to feel more comfortable. Hopefully Tib's watches some tape and figures this out.

    Pretty much the same thing with Wiggins. At the game I was at Butler was great but Wiggins - no fault of his - was on the other side of the court watching like 3 others.... Happens all the time... hard to accumulate any kind of stats with the ball not in your hand and not being part of the offense. Again Tib's needs to adjust things as Butler is going to break down if he doesn't. Wiggins strength is scoring and he is not given the ball to do it unless Butler is resting.... need to mix it up... especially the 1st three quarters.

    If we start moving the ball and getting everyone involved we can be even a better team as what I used to tell my kids if everyone is a threat we are going to be very tough to beat.... ala GS... Houston....

    Defense is another story..... As Butler said the "boys" just don't give it all yet on that side of the court. If they do and we can become a good defensive team we have a chance to be great .... otherwise... we may not make it out of the 1st round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Kid, go to bed. You literally have no idea what the h—- you are talking about. Nash couldn’t play with Shaq because Shaq was 100 years old and weighed 400lbs(not an exaggeration) when they finally played together. If you don’t even know that, why are you typing. Do some research son. Anyone with half a brain knows prime Shaq and prime Nash together wins rings period.

    And really, “we”? When Hawk eats, it makes you sh—?
    You do get that assembling an all star lineup really doesn't equate to wins right? Look at the spurs this year they have statistically(until the last few games) have been a better team then us. Talent wise they should not even be in the same category as us. Yet they have a better record. Look at the lakers from a few years back Karl Malone, Gary Payton, star studded cast failed. My point still stands. One player isn't necessarily better or worse it just equates to the system in which they are placed in.

    Also really flaming me? Apparently not only can you not construct a rational argument now you find the need to refer to me as "kid". Also hawk and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things so I have no idea were you are coming up with this "we" that you are referring to. Most of the forum understands that Rubio was not the right fit for our current system but it doesn't take away that he has a unique skill set that with the right cast around him could of worked.

    Teague is a run of the mill point guard that does a lot of things ok and occasionally has a good game but doesn't sustain it over the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    Understand how everyone is frustrated with Wiggins and Teague but have gone to a game recently and watched several this past few weeks pretty close. One thing we have to understand with Teague is he is used to ... like most point guards having the ball in his hands a lot and initiating the offense and playing off that. This is a new role as he does this about 25 % of the time with Butler and others starting things the other 75% of the time..... Really hard to figure out this strategy. When he does initiate and is "engaged" he plays pretty well as he seems to feel more comfortable. Hopefully Tib's watches some tape and figures this out.

    Pretty much the same thing with Wiggins. At the game I was at Butler was great but Wiggins - no fault of his - was on the other side of the court watching like 3 others.... Happens all the time... hard to accumulate any kind of stats with the ball not in your hand and not being part of the offense. Again Tib's needs to adjust things as Butler is going to break down if he doesn't. Wiggins strength is scoring and he is not given the ball to do it unless Butler is resting.... need to mix it up... especially the 1st three quarters.

    If we start moving the ball and getting everyone involved we can be even a better team as what I used to tell my kids if everyone is a threat we are going to be very tough to beat.... ala GS... Houston....

    Defense is another story..... As Butler said the "boys" just don't give it all yet on that side of the court. If they do and we can become a good defensive team we have a chance to be great .... otherwise... we may not make it out of the 1st round.
    I wonder if its kind of like the effect that happens to big men with Wiggins and Teague. If they don't get a few touches on offense and Butler is going ham are they less engaged and then stop playing defense? I'd like to see some stats on our team defense in relationship to when Butler isn't our primary scorer. Though I suppose the uptick of efficiency could be related to Butler playing better defense due to him not having to be the focal point on offense.

    That's part of the problem though with wiggins is the "watching" as much as we all disliked Brewer that is the one thing he did is move around constantly. If wiggins cut and moved without the ball like brewer he would get so many easy points and free throws. It seems like he needs the ball a few times a game early in order to be engaged. We all can hope that when his contract inflates this next off season that maybe he will wake up? Apparently Taylor sitting down and talking to him accomplished nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Yes he spaces a lot. Dude you must not watch. He hits 3’s from all over Fromm any set and at dagger and crunch times. He won a game early on with his 3 ball explosion.
    no, he doesn't space at the level we were expected to believe he would. Like at all. Teague has been a disaster this season, nearly worst case scenario from the signing. That is a fact.

    I am not sure what pulled me away from ignoring you as I had for some time. I think now is a good time to skip over your posts again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    Understand how everyone is frustrated with Wiggins and Teague but have gone to a game recently and watched several this past few weeks pretty close. One thing we have to understand with Teague is he is used to ... like most point guards having the ball in his hands a lot and initiating the offense and playing off that. This is a new role as he does this about 25 % of the time with Butler and others starting things the other 75% of the time..... Really hard to figure out this strategy. When he does initiate and is "engaged" he plays pretty well as he seems to feel more comfortable. Hopefully Tib's watches some tape and figures this out.

    Pretty much the same thing with Wiggins. At the game I was at Butler was great but Wiggins - no fault of his - was on the other side of the court watching like 3 others.... Happens all the time... hard to accumulate any kind of stats with the ball not in your hand and not being part of the offense. Again Tib's needs to adjust things as Butler is going to break down if he doesn't. Wiggins strength is scoring and he is not given the ball to do it unless Butler is resting.... need to mix it up... especially the 1st three quarters.

    If we start moving the ball and getting everyone involved we can be even a better team as what I used to tell my kids if everyone is a threat we are going to be very tough to beat.... ala GS... Houston....

    Defense is another story..... As Butler said the "boys" just don't give it all yet on that side of the court. If they do and we can become a good defensive team we have a chance to be great .... otherwise... we may not make it out of the 1st round.
    With Teague, the thing is, Thib's brought him here because he claimed himself that Teague can play off the ball and be a scoring guard. No, he can't. His PnR game is terrible to watch, he has zero chemistry with anyone on our roster. It's game 60 soon, so he newness is long gone for a 29 year old vet. Look, we were hoping for the anti-Rubio, someone who could score, hit 3's and make teams chase him off the line, etc. Sure, Teague is a better scorer, but if the margin between scoring worth the margin we lost in every single other category of basketball? I think not, personally.

    Same for Wiggins. If Thib's is going to have Butler/Towns control the ball for most the time, then he needs to get guys who play off the ball well. Wiggins stands around with his thumb up his ***. Look at the teams that give us trouble. They make sharp cuts, and get our defense moving. Why isn't Wiggins making cuts to the rim, or moving without the ball, or getting involved in hustle plays, ever? The guy is a coaster, and a complete waste of talent so far. His mentality is too laid back to ever be a dominant anything.

    We won't start moving the ball, that isn't Thib's (or Butler's) style. If we are going to continue to employ Thib's as our coach, it's time for roster changes. But, we don't have the money to do so.

    All in all, we are tied for 3rd in the west, heading down the stretch. So the playoffs are within sight. But so is the 7th seed.. and this team can't even stay on the floor with either Houston/GS, and if we are capped out for years, and tying up $38-46 million per year in Teague/Wiggins the next 3 years, we have minimal options, which is why we are here complaining.

    Wiggins is not good enough. He is not living up to his talent, not even close. His age is irrelevant. He has played long enough to make strides. Teague, I was never a fan of, really never understood all the love he got, and now I see he is much worse than I gave him credit for.

    Good news-Towns looks to still be developing into an elite player. Butler is a great player. Tyus looks serviceable. But it's not enough for a roster capped out for years and one that wants to actually compete for something real.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    With Teague, the thing is, Thib's brought him here because he claimed himself that Teague can play off the ball and be a scoring guard. No, he can't. His PnR game is terrible to watch, he has zero chemistry with anyone on our roster. It's game 60 soon, so he newness is long gone for a 29 year old vet. Look, we were hoping for the anti-Rubio, someone who could score, hit 3's and make teams chase him off the line, etc. Sure, Teague is a better scorer, but if the margin between scoring worth the margin we lost in every single other category of basketball? I think not, personally.

    Same for Wiggins. If Thib's is going to have Butler/Towns control the ball for most the time, then he needs to get guys who play off the ball well. Wiggins stands around with his thumb up his ***. Look at the teams that give us trouble. They make sharp cuts, and get our defense moving. Why isn't Wiggins making cuts to the rim, or moving without the ball, or getting involved in hustle plays, ever? The guy is a coaster, and a complete waste of talent so far. His mentality is too laid back to ever be a dominant anything.

    We won't start moving the ball, that isn't Thib's (or Butler's) style. If we are going to continue to employ Thib's as our coach, it's time for roster changes. But, we don't have the money to do so.

    All in all, we are tied for 3rd in the west, heading down the stretch. So the playoffs are within sight. But so is the 7th seed.. and this team can't even stay on the floor with either Houston/GS, and if we are capped out for years, and tying up $38-46 million per year in Teague/Wiggins the next 3 years, we have minimal options, which is why we are here complaining.

    Wiggins is not good enough. He is not living up to his talent, not even close. His age is irrelevant. He has played long enough to make strides. Teague, I was never a fan of, really never understood all the love he got, and now I see he is much worse than I gave him credit for.

    Good news-Towns looks to still be developing into an elite player. Butler is a great player. Tyus looks serviceable. But it's not enough for a roster capped out for years and one that wants to actually compete for something real.
    Welcome to the Toronto Raptors fan club erm I mean sorry Minnesota timberwolves or wait Washington Wizards....

    is it bad that I actually might prefer Kyle Lowry at this point to Teague?

    If Brewer + Wiggins morphed into one player we might of actually had a decent draft pick between the two of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolves88 View Post
    Welcome to the Toronto Raptors fan club erm I mean sorry Minnesota timberwolves or wait Washington Wizards....

    is it bad that I actually might prefer Kyle Lowry at this point to Teague?

    If Brewer + Wiggins morphed into one player we might of actually had a decent draft pick between the two of them.
    I say this with 100% sincerity - in my opinion, Wiggins would be about to suit up for the All-Star game if he tried as hard as Brewer did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolves88 View Post
    Welcome to the Toronto Raptors fan club erm I mean sorry Minnesota timberwolves or wait Washington Wizards....

    is it bad that I actually might prefer Kyle Lowry at this point to Teague?

    If Brewer + Wiggins morphed into one player we might of actually had a decent draft pick between the two of them.
    god no. Lowry is criminally better. Always has been. Nevermind that Lowry has also struggled to translate his all star level play into playoff games, he is still FAR better than Teague.

    Dude, if Wiggins had the motor of Corey Brewer, he would already be an all NBA caliber player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellington19 View Post
    I say this with 100% sincerity - in my opinion, Wiggins would be about to suit up for the All-Star game if he tried as hard as Brewer did.
    you are absolutely correct dude haha

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