I guess I missed it, but what does life on another planet have anything to do with religion or God?
But even more than that, life elsewhere would show that maybe we aren't that unique. Maybe we aren't that special. Those two things are what have always fueled religious belief. I think it would change how a lot of people feel about their place in this universe, let alone world.
It depends on the religion. Jews believe that God sees no limits to his power and they also don't proselytize. I could see some adaptation there, and them not worrying or even caring what beliefs, religions, knowledge, etc. said ETs possess.
Creationists, Seventh-Day Adventists, etc. would have some 'splaining to do.
Muslims could easily adapt. I believe the Qur'an, especially since it's more modern, acknowledges the universe and says that all beings in it serve Allah.
Catholicism? Other forms of Christianity? IDK.
But yeah, I think it's more about the huge change in perspective. I think religion would survive, but I'd imagine we'd continue to see more and more defectors. Religion has always clashed with science, and has never gone away. This would be tougher to be compatible with than even evolution, but if there's a will there's a way.
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Originally Posted by MrPoon
Regardless, I don't see why geocentricity would oppose alien life. Nor do I see why thinking humans are special or unique would oppose it either. Even if we found aliens tomorrow, my world view would still be very geocentric and also would still feel every bit as special and unique. Same way finding a new species of fish in the deep ocean wouldn't shake any of those concepts I have about myself.
I don't really see science clashing with religion at all. Any off the wall story I believed in my religion (like a virgin birth) I was well aware of how off the wall it sounds without needing any science behind it, lol
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Imagine if we did find intelligent life out there and we then had to explain to them that there is a God who made them and everything else in the universe, but we and not them were created in his image.
How ego-centric would we look lol?
I agree that Religion is underaapreciated when it comes to their contributions to science and human advancement, but I would say it's a little unfair to directly compare their contributions with that of say atheists when for much of history atheists were killed simply for being atheists.
I don't know, I see just absolutely zero connection between finding alien life and creating an argument against the existence of god. I know some people do see a connection, be it on one side of the argument OR the other, so I certainly get why you're saying what you're saying in that context. But I just don't see it.
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This bolded is misleading. Religious folks throughout history especially if you include the muslims and the eastern religions did much to preserve knowledge and advance science. But... Historically mans knowledge was very limited. Recently knowledge has grown exponentially largely due to secular organizations filled with atheists and agnostics. The amount of output at one research university is greater than anything Saint Thomas Aquinas or the like did by preserving or advancing knowledge. So to say they have done far more is just... well wrong when you consider that the majority of man's knowledge has been made in the last 75-100 years.
Originally Posted by MrPoon
I've always been under the impression that God's sheer omnipotence was perceived as slightly greater in Judaism than Christianity as a whole. I may be wrong.
I literally have no idea what you're trying to say or what type of shot at me you're trying to make with the second sentence here.Totally wrong. Religion has held the candle of "science" at many points in time and in many parts of the world. Religion, historically, has done far more to advance and preserve education than atheism or any other "brotherhood" organizations.
Science in quotes? Speak on that.
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And I'm not going to get into this pointless pissing match over what date in earth's history marks the beginning of the 'best' science. Religions all over the world have been stewards of knowledge, including science, for probably longer than we have recorded history. There is no way to prove what you assert and no way to disprove it - but acting like religion has been an enemy of knowledge for all time is a purely ignorant statement made by someone with an axe to grind.
And again I don't really know what you're basing Jews believing in a "more omnipotent" God is based on but I'm willing to look at anything you've got. Jews believe they have a covenant with God which would inherently mean God is not omnipotent even if only by his own choosing - he chose to make an agreement with the people of Israel and remains bound to that.
RE: final portion. I meant exactly what it said - very often in history religions have preserved knowledge, including what we understand as science today. More than any other organizations in history, including fraternal orders or whatever else, religion has preserved knowledge. It will likely be understood in the future that people who champion science today belong to a religion seeking to preserve the understanding of the world through the 5 senses (a very limited but uniquely human way of understanding reality). So the point was be careful where you cast aspersions - they may just get back to you.
Science was in quotes because it was not always understood as we understand it today - and even today "science" is not what a lot of its internet champions think it is but rather is a method of looking at the world. There are hosts of questions that science does not seek to address and many of those questions are addressed by religion and philosophy (in addition to questions of science).