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  1. #16
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    Now for the tough one: picking the NBA's All Time 25...let's make it 30. It is actually very hard to do this, because the size, strength and speed of the current guys would probably slaughter those 50 years earlier. Even in their prime, I don't think Russell, Pettit, Baylor, West & Robertson could keep up with Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Bryant and Curry. Probably not even Hakeem, Karl Malone, Bird, Jordan and Magic.

    But here goes my 30 cents:
    Centers= Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Moses Malone, Hakeem and Shaq.
    Forwards (3/4)= Baylor, Havlicek, Erving, Cowens, Bird, McHale, K. Malone, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Lebron, Durant
    Guards (1/2)= Oscar, West, Pistol Pete, Magic, Clyde Drexler, Michael, Stockton, Payton, Bryant, Nash, Curry, Paul (Honorable Mention: Wade, Westbrook, Gervin, Thomas)

    Coaches: Auerbach, Jackson, Popovich

  2. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by joedaheights View Post
    There's also context in terms of winning rings. What was your role? What were you NOT asked to do. It's easy to get lost in Bill Russell's 11 championships.. which do make him great, but when you're comparing it to Jordan, you're talking about a guy who only needed to average 14 PPG on 44% FG.. Would he win 11 if you put him on a team where he wasn't matched perfectly with scorers who relied on his D and upon whose scoring he relied on?

    (NO Flash Reply: OR, could Jordan have won 11 rings if he didn't skip a couple of years to play baseball, or if he had a center who averaged 22.5 rebounds per game like Russell did? Russell had plenty of team scoring power, but Jordan didn't have quite the help with rebounding, scoring and defense before 1990, so this can go both ways)

    Do Wilt's stats override Michael or Kareem when he only won two rings and failed miserably in the 69 and 70 Finals, when his team was a heavy favorite in both? No.
    (NO Flash reply: NO. I agree. Bill Russell cleaned Wilt's clock in the playoffs every year but 1967)

    (NO Flash adding NBA Finals and Rings for each player)
    1. Michael Jordan 6 Finals - 6 Rings
    2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 10 Finals - 6 Rings
    2a. Magic Johnson 9 Finals - 5 Rings
    2b. Bill Russell 12 Finals - 11 Rings
    5. Larry Bird 5 Finals - 3 Rings
    6. Tim Duncan 6 Finals - 5 Rings
    6a. Shaquille O'neal 6 Finals - 4 Rings
    6b. Lebron James (active) 8 Finals - 3 Rings
    9. Wilt Chamberlain 6 Finals - 2 Rings
    10. Kobe Bryant 7 Finals - 5 Rings
    11. Hakeem Olajuwon 3 Finals - 2 Rings
    12. Isiah Thomas 3 Finals - 2 Rings
    13. Oscar Robertson 2 Finals - 1 Ring
    14. Moses Malone 2 Finals - 1 Ring
    15. Julius Erving 4 Finals - 1 Ring
    16. Elgin Baylor 7 Finals - 0 Rings
    17. Jerry West 9 Finals - 1 Ring
    18. David Robinson 2 Finals - 2 Rings
    19. John Havlicek 8 Finals - 8 Rings
    20. Willis Reed 2 Finals - 2 Rings
    21. Walt "Clyde" Frazier 3 Finals - 2 Rings
    22. Steph Curry (active) 3 Finals - 2 Rings
    23. Dirk Nowitzki (active) 2 Finals - 1 Rings
    24. Rick Barry 2 Finals - 1 Ring
    25. Charles Barkley 1 Final - 0 Rings
    26. Bob Cousy 7 Finals - 6 Rings
    27. Patrick Ewing 2 Finals - 0 Rings
    28. Karl Malone 3 Finals - 0 Rings
    29. Bill Walton 3 Finals - 2 Rings
    30. Scottie Pippen 6 Finals - 6 Rings
    My greatest of all time includes 40 players, so I'll remove Ewing & add:
    00 Robert Parish 5 Finals - 4 Rings
    James Worthy 6 Finals - 3 Rings
    Kevin McHale 5 Finals - 3 Rings
    Bob Pettit 5 Finals - 1 Ring
    Clyde Drexler 3 Finals - 1 Ring
    Jason Kidd 3 Finals - 1 Ring
    Gary Payton 3 Finals - 1 Ring
    Dave Cowens 2 Finals - 2 Rings
    Kevin Durant 2 Finals - 1 Ring
    Kevin Garnett 2 Finals - 1 Ring
    John Stockton 2 Finals - 0 Rings

  3. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by NO Flash View Post
    Now for the tough one: picking the NBA's All Time 25...let's make it 30. It is actually very hard to do this, because the size, strength and speed of the current guys would probably slaughter those 50 years earlier. Even in their prime, I don't think Russell, Pettit, Baylor, West & Robertson could keep up with Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Bryant and Curry. Probably not even Hakeem, Karl Malone, Bird, Jordan and Magic.

    But here goes my 30 cents:
    Centers= Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Moses Malone, Hakeem and Shaq.
    Forwards (3/4)= Baylor, Havlicek, Erving, Cowens, Bird, McHale, K. Malone, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Lebron, Durant
    Guards (1/2)= Oscar, West, Pistol Pete, Magic, Clyde Drexler, Michael, Stockton, Payton, Bryant, Nash, Curry, Paul (Honorable Mention: Wade, Westbrook, Gervin, Thomas)

    Coaches: Auerbach, Jackson, Popovich
    For years Cowens was my favorite player, and I've argued he should be seen as a 4 playing out of position at 5. He's not a top 30 player, he's not a top 50 player. Short career. Short peak.

    Pistol Pete is not a top 50 player either.
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