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  1. #5491
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepelfrey View Post
    Based on that I guess you think Sanchez isn't worth squat then? Because that's basically what you're saying. You don't judge young top of the rotation pitchers like that. They're too valuable

    By your definition Sanchez at 1-3 on a much better team, is much worse than Fulmer at 10-12 on a much worse team

    would you trade Sanchez to get rid of Morales contract? Because that's an equivalent example!!! Of course you wouldnt.
    So by this you are saying that an elbow injury and a blister problem are the same thing? It's the elbow injury that is the problem here.

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    Jays re-sign Estrada around $14 mil. So you got Sanchez, Stroman, Happ, Estrada, Biagini next year. Then you need to add to the depth. Got Borucki and Pannone in Triple A next year. Probably keep Koehler. Try your best to get Anderson but some team is gonna give him two years maybe stupid but what can you do.

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    Starting depth definitely looks better if Estrada is re-signed. Dont forget Rowley in AAA too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanyo View Post
    Jays re-sign Estrada around $14 mil. So you got Sanchez, Stroman, Happ, Estrada, Biagini next year. Then you need to add to the depth. Got Borucki and Pannone in Triple A next year. Probably keep Koehler. Try your best to get Anderson but some team is gonna give him two years maybe stupid but what can you do.
    I think you need one more MLB caliber pitcher with the unknowns of Sanchez's health. (If the plan is to actually try to contend).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    I think you need one more MLB caliber pitcher with the unknowns of Sanchez's health. (If the plan is to actually try to contend).
    I don't think Sanchez's health should be coming into question for 2018. I mean if he still has blisters by then he's just cursed.

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    Comparison of how 20M could have been spent this off season:

    Edwing- .252/.375/.494 with 34 HR's, 17 2B's and 88 RBI's (95 BB's and 124 K's in 500 AB's)

    or

    Morales- .247/.303/.452 with 27 HR's, 24 2B's and 78 RBI's (38 BB's and 122 K's in 511 AB's)
    Smoak- .280/.360/.553 with 37 HR's, 24 2B's and 86 RBI's (63 BB's and 114 K's in 503 AB's)
    Pearce- .252/.319/.438 with 13 HR's, 17 2B's and 37 RBI's (27 BB's and 68 K's in 313 AB's)


    The biggest thing that sticks out to me is the lack of BB's from Morales . He draws 10 more BB's and we are talking a .325 OBP. 20 more BB's (which he has done before) and we are talking a .343 OBP.


    Overall, I think we did ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    Comparison of how 20M could have been spent this off season:

    Edwing- .252/.375/.494 with 34 HR's, 17 2B's and 88 RBI's (95 BB's and 124 K's in 500 AB's)

    or

    Morales- .247/.303/.452 with 27 HR's, 24 2B's and 78 RBI's (38 BB's and 122 K's in 511 AB's)
    Smoak- .280/.360/.553 with 37 HR's, 24 2B's and 86 RBI's (63 BB's and 114 K's in 503 AB's)
    Pearce- .252/.319/.438 with 13 HR's, 17 2B's and 37 RBI's (27 BB's and 68 K's in 313 AB's)


    The biggest thing that sticks out to me is the lack of BB's from Morales . He draws 10 more BB's and we are talking a .325 OBP. 20 more BB's (which he has done before) and we are talking a .343 OBP.


    Overall, I think we did ok.
    Its pleasing to see it like that. i think there was an emotional and momentum thing that Edwin cold have contributed, and i also dont think smoak should be included in there as he was committed to ahead of edwins decision. The important thing there is that Smoak stepped up to replace Edwins contribution.
    I would be very curious to see some type of comparision to other teams on having older guys break out. Edwin, Bautista, Smoak and Estrada come to mind. am i missing anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    Comparison of how 20M could have been spent this off season:

    Edwing- .252/.375/.494 with 34 HR's, 17 2B's and 88 RBI's (95 BB's and 124 K's in 500 AB's)

    or

    Morales- .247/.303/.452 with 27 HR's, 24 2B's and 78 RBI's (38 BB's and 122 K's in 511 AB's)
    Smoak- .280/.360/.553 with 37 HR's, 24 2B's and 86 RBI's (63 BB's and 114 K's in 503 AB's)
    Pearce- .252/.319/.438 with 13 HR's, 17 2B's and 37 RBI's (27 BB's and 68 K's in 313 AB's)


    The biggest thing that sticks out to me is the lack of BB's from Morales . He draws 10 more BB's and we are talking a .325 OBP. 20 more BB's (which he has done before) and we are talking a .343 OBP.


    Overall, I think we did ok.
    Smoak was a separate thing. I would rather have Edwin thank you. Overall we did not do okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by town123 View Post
    Smoak was a separate thing. I would rather have Edwin thank you. Overall we did not do okay.
    Have to agree, Smoak was already signed and his money didn't have anything to do with the money available by not signing Edwin. The better comparison is Bautista + Pierce.

    Bautista: 530 a\b .208 .379 .693 22 hrs 58 RBI
    Pearce: 313 a\b .252 .319 .438 13 hrs 37 RBI

    Edwin: 500 a\b .252 .375 .494 34 hrs 88 RBI

    Basically 343 More a\b for 1 hr and 7 RBI.

    That's Not a fair trade off at all Bartron. But then again Edwin wasn't signing for just this year so it depends on how he does in the future.

    Even if you make it just Morales + Pearce it's just as ugly.

    But In reality It was Morales+Pearce+ Bautista. That's where we get brutalized.

    Then it's like paying 17M for 854 a\b 27 hrs 87 RBI. So any way you slice it it's not pretty
    Last edited by mikepelfrey; 09-15-2017 at 02:58 AM.

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    Jays got Pearson by letting EE walk. Pearson might be the best arm in the system, so there is some silver lining.

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    You're right there, Manuel had a very nice report on Pearson over on minor league ball recently. Said he had one of the best arms in the entire Draft.. Not just out system. He wasn't too impressed with Zeuch however, he said he has excellent velocity but needed work on his command and secondary pitches according to him, we were very interested in DL Hall. But the lefty was taken before we could grab him.

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    ^ I just wanted to point out that the people who say you never have anything to post that isn't tearing down the management conveniently forget these posts but not all of us do mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamiecballer View Post
    ^ I just wanted to point out that the people who say you never have anything to post that isn't tearing down the management conveniently forget these posts but not all of us do mike

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    Thanks JamieC. I just say what I see. When a team is doing what we've done it's kind of hard to post flowery stuff. It's hard enough being in a division with Boston and NY. That's not an excuse mind you it's just a recognition of reality. We can't afford to make silly mistakes. Mets fans will tell you I'm way more critical of the Freddy Coupon family.

    This franchise has so many Advantages, but many fans refuse to see them. And because they don't demand more from ownership they don't get more. Maybe as some posters suggest, there is a sort of acceptance that since this franchise has been run this way for So long that the fans have grown complacent. But if that's true isn't that sad?

    I just want to see the team win. 21 years for this franchise is never acceptable, but at least the Blue Jays aren't the Mets. That franchise is a total joke. Absolutely unfit to wipe your arse with.

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    I agree Mike. Not to get back on the subject but i think fans should definitely be putting pressure on ownership to spend to the cap.

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    Trade Ideas Thread III

    They could spend to the cap if the right pieces were there to spend on but these guys aren't going to just spend for the hell of it and I don't blame them.

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