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    Bucks Schmucks ‏@BucksSchmucks · 2m
    #Bucks trade Miroslav and Delfino for Jared Dudley and future draft pick.
    Jay Sorgi ‏@jsorgi · 8m
    .@lanceallan makes good point - no word yet on when this reported 1st round pick is coming to #Bucks. TBA.

    Andrew Gruman ‏@AndrewGruman · 22m
    Clippers' first-round pick isn't likely to be very high, but to me this is a pretty good deal for the #Bucks.
    Andrew Gruman ‏@AndrewGruman · 30m
    According to @WojYahooNBA, #Bucks are sending Carlos Delfino and Miroslav Raduljica to the Clippers for Dudley and a future 1st-round pick
    I didn't even know a trade went down till I read it on main NBA forum. Have to check out Dudley. Wasn't Dudley the guy the Suns traded with second rounders to get Bledsoe?

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    Jared Dudley $4,250,000 $4,250,000

    Miroslav Raduljica $1,500,000 $1,567,500 $1,959,375

    Carlos Delfino $3,250,000 $3,250,000

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelo...1/jared-dudley

    Why would we trade for another sf? We still have Giannis and Middleton and if we go by what Kidd said with big line up then Parker be at sf as well. Seems we just did a trade to down size the roster since we were over the player limit. Were at 15 now I believe.

    #1 Giannis
    #2 Parker
    #3 Sanders
    #4 Knight
    #5 Henson
    #6 Ersan
    #7 Mayo
    #8 Middleton
    #9 Zaza
    #10 Wolters
    #11 O'Bryant
    #12 Inglis
    #13 Marshall
    #14 Bayless
    #15 Dudley
    #16 Wright


    Minus Delfino and Raduljica. Wright brings us to 16 but he's unguaranteed.

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    Dudley has 2 years left on his deal for 4.25 million each year. The 2nd year is a player option which I'd assume he would take. Basically, it looks like we are buying a late 2017 first rounder for taking on Dudley's contract which is one year longer and a slightly more expensive than Delfino's plus giving up on Raduljica and a 2nd rounder. At first glance, I like it.


    This is the Espn article:

    The Los Angeles Clippers have traded forward Jared Dudley to the Milwaukee Bucks for Carlos Delfino and Miroslav Raduljica, according to sources.

    Jared Dudley is leaving Los Angeles for Milwaukee after one year with the Clippers.

    The Bucks also get the Clippers' 2017 protected first-round pick while the Clippers will receive a future second-rounder from Milwaukee, a source told ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

    Dudley was part of the Clippers' big summer of 2013 offseason haul, but the 3-point shooting acumen he displayed with the Phoenix Suns failed to make the move to the Clippers.

    Delfino, an eight-year veteran, missed the entire 2013-14 season as he recovered from right foot surgery.

    The 7-foot Raduljica played 48 games and started two in his first season in the United States. The 26-year-old Serb averaged 3.8 points and 2.3 rebounds per game.

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    Bummer I didn't know we gave up a second rounder. Oh well. Old articles before this draft said 4 drafts combined we have like 8 or 9 second rounders. So with this down to 5 or 6 second rounders next three drafts. Also remember we were at 17 players on the roster. We were due to trim it down eventually. Were at 16 right now but Wright is unguaranteed.

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    And on the first day of the 2013-14 season, Dudley will be an opponent of Nash's when the Lakers play the Clippers.

    It's a matchup that's new for both of them. Dudley remembers hearing the news of Nash being traded to L.A.





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    "Where was I?" Dudley asked rhetorically. "Probably in San Diego."

    "Probably on Twitter," Nash interjected.

    "Yeah, I was probably on Twitter somewhere," Dudley said. "I was happy because you always want to have Steve to have a chance to win. [Los Angeles is] close to Phoenix, and if you're going to leave a franchise where you have that emotion, you want to go to a big-time franchise. If he had gone to the Knicks, I would have been happy. That's the thing for me, I don't want to s--- on a team, but I didn't want to go to Milwaukee. You want to go to a team that has history and prestige, and L.A. was a perfect fit. You were happy for him. There was no sadness."
    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...udding-rivalry

    Dudley was quoted not wanting to go to Milwaukee during the sign and trade of the three team deal with Suns,Clippers,Bucks. At first he thought he was shipped to Bucks while Redick shipped to Clippers while Bledsoe ended up with Suns. Curious how quick he back peddles that quote, or re-flipped to another team soon or at the trade deadline during the season?

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    with this trade the bucks clear another roster spot to take back a contract from Houston in a potential sign and trade. Don't think they had the room to do so before. Prob just getting a 2nd rder , hoping they somehow dump Ersan for an expiring with Sessions

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    Clippers announce trade - Carlos Delfino, Miroslav Raduljica and their 2015 2nd for Jared Dudley and a protected 2017 1st
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    Rockets have the Lin TPE yet. Which Ersan contract fits perfectly. Ersan for a second rounder is pretty harsh. They'd have to offer up a first. Theirs or the rights to the Pelicans pick from the Asik trade. I think a sign and trade of Sessions would net us a second rounder though. We didn't really gain a roster spot though even though it was a 2 for 1 deal. Since you factor in before the deal we were at 17 players. Yeah Wright can be waived. If that happens then were at 15 player roster limit. So we really cant take more players back.

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    I see this as a prelude to another deal. Not sure what, but Dudley is strictly a shooter, average defender. Mayo, Wright or Middleton could all be moved or Wright just cut. I kind of like Wright. Plays with passion and is a high-flyer and good rebounder for a SF. I think Mayo could still be dealt.

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    I think its a great deal for us. I don't think either one of those guys were in the long term plans, so to get a first round pick, regardless of how late, for those guys, its a good thing. We actually shed a little salary this year in the deal, and who knows if Dudley picks up the option. With the deals marginal players get in free agency, he may think he can get at least $4 mill on the open market, so he may opt out. I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    I think its a great deal for us. I don't think either one of those guys were in the long term plans, so to get a first round pick, regardless of how late, for those guys, its a good thing. We actually shed a little salary this year in the deal, and who knows if Dudley picks up the option. With the deals marginal players get in free agency, he may think he can get at least $4 mill on the open market, so he may opt out. I love it.
    I fully concur crewfan

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    The Milwaukee Bucks made a clear play for future value, and it barely cost them a thing.

    There are a bunch of moments one could point to as the so-called "Beginning" of the New Era Milwaukee Bucks. The day the sale of the team to Marc Lasry and Wes Edens was made official. The day the team selected Jabari Parker with the second overall pick. Maybe it won't start until *fingers crossed* a new arena opens its doors in Milwaukee.

    But in at least one way, yesterday's trade that brought in Jared Dudley and a future 1st-round pick from the Los Angeles Clippers marks a true first for the new Milwaukee Bucks. Because for the first time in John Hammond's tenure as General Manager, the Bucks have acquired an additional first-round pick in a future draft. The team made a move with a clear, unquestionable eye on the future.

    What's perhaps most remarkable about the three-player deal, though, is how little it costs the Bucks in the present. The biggest loss is either a center with a "sneaky-good" offensive game and lead feet, or a second-round pick likely to fall in the final sixth of the draft. In other words, not much. Despite taking on more potential long-term salary in the trade, Milwaukee actually sliced a half-million dollars off its cap number. The long-term increase isn't even certain--Dudley can opt out of his deal next summer.

    It might be tempting to write off the return as nothing too exciting. The Clippers have a new billionaire owner, a pair of MVP candidates on the roster, and a glamorous market to attract free-agents, so a pick-boosting collapse seems highly unlikely. Dudley himself is an unspectacular player, a solid scorer but otherwise limited. And if he is, in fact, miffed about being transplanted from L.A. to Milwaukee, he could just be another locker-room agitator blocking the development of young players.

    But that all seems unlikely or trivial. Dudley has a strong reputation and could probably be flipped to another team if he plays reasonably well this season, as Kevin Pelton points out in his trade grade post on ESPN Insider:


    At best, it's not inconceivable that Dudley becomes a trade chip for Milwaukee. Remember, we're barely a year removed from Dudley being considered a good asset in the trade that sent Eric Bledsoe to the Phoenix Suns. Dudley's one season with the Clippers was a disaster. He was out of shape, a source of frustration to the coaching staff and unable to keep up defensively on the wing. But he's only 29. If Dudley commits himself to conditioning, a return to the useful 3-and-D specialist he was in Phoenix is a possibility.

    Since the real prize here is the pick, Dudley would basically have to break both of Giannis Antetokounmpo's arms in practice to really make the whole thing a net-negative.

    In fact, the trade seems like such an obviously good move for the Bucks that its almost difficult to rationalize. Normally when a contending team makes a deal with a bottom-feeder, there's a clear win-now/win-later dichotomy. The immediate reaction on our site was overwhelmingly positive, and nearly everyone took the move as another sign that the organization's new focus is squarely on the future where it belongs. All this despite the Bucks not hurting their current position or jeopardizing current priorities much at all. Clippers fans were less thrilled. Normally that's a sign that a trade was made for reasons not strictly confined to the court itself, and that seems to be the case here. For L.A., the move gives them a chance to dodge the luxury tax down the road. Considering the net worth of the guy now writing the checks, Clips fans have a right to be a little annoyed.

    So if you're wondering what that strange feeling is, Bucks fans, that one that asks "did my team just totally fleece another team?" That's the feeling of leveraging financial flexibility for future assets instead of squandering it on veteran free-agents. Did it earn Milwaukee a windfall? No. But was it worth the cost? The best answer to that question might be, "What cost?"
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bucks-t...123002657.html

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    The Milwaukee Bucks have slimmed their roster down to 16 players by trading Carlos Delfino, Miroslav Raduljica, and a 2015 second round pick to the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Jared Dudley and a 2017 first round pick. The Bucks made the deal official on Tuesday afternoon.

    Ironically, the 2015 second round pick the Bucks will be sending to the Clippers was originally the Clippers’ pick. The Bucks acquired that pick in last year’s three team-deal with the Clippers and Suns that included J.J. Redick and Eric Bledsoe. The 2017 first round acquired by the Bucks will be lottery-protected.

    This deal is undeniably a victory for the Bucks.Getting a first round pick this cheap is uncommon in the NBA. The Bucks got a major asset without giving up any significant talent.

    Delfino, who signed a 2-year/$6.5 million to return to the Bucks last season, didn’t play a single game for Milwaukee in 2013-14 while he was recovering from a foot injury. Miroslav Raduljica appeared in 48 games for the Bucks, averaging 3.8 points 2.3 rebounds in 9.7 minutes per game.

    Jared Dudley, the most prominent player in the deal, is a 29-year old sharpshooting wing. Dudley, a seven-year league veteran, spent five prosperous years in Phoenix before being traded to the Clippers last season.

    A good portion of Dudley’s numbers during his one-year stint with the Clippers last year were career lows for him, mostly due to his reduced role on a championship-contending team. In 2013-14 he averaged 6.9 points and 2.2 rebounds in 23.4 minutes per game while shooting 43.8 percent from the field and 36.0 percent from three.

    Dudley has 2-years and $8.5 million left on his contract, with an early termination option after next season.

    An interesting tidbit on the newest Milwaukee Buck is that he’s actually on record saying he doesn’t want to be in Milwaukee. In an interview with ESPN LA last year after he was traded to the Clippers, Dudley said: “I was happy because you always want to have Steve to have a chance to win. [Los Angeles is] close to Phoenix, and if you’re going to leave a franchise where you have that emotion, you want to go to a big-time franchise. If he had gone to the Knicks, I would have been happy. That’s the thing for me, I don’t want to s— on a team, but I didn’t want to go to Milwaukee. You want to go to a team that has history and prestige, and L.A. was a perfect fit.”

    Things can change, but this was just a year ago. We’ll have to watch closely as to what exactly the Bucks’ plans for Dudley are. He undoubtedly adds more depth at shooting guard and is talented enough to have a prominent role and be an immediate contributor to Milwaukee. But obviously, it’s a hard situation to manage when a player doesn’t want to be on a team (i.e. Stephen Jackson, Caron Butler, etc.)

    Dudley doesn’t seem like the kind of personality to make a scene out of an unfavorable situation. In fact, he is known as a “locker room guy”, which is the basketball cliché for a player who helps keep order and positively influences his teammates off the court. That kind of presence is one that this young Bucks team (who had multiple reported locker room incidences last season) desperately needs.

    Considering the circumstances, and presuming that he’ll likely be unhappy with his situation in Milwaukee, its up in the air whether or not Dudley will be able to sufficiently fulfill a leadership roll for the Bucks.

    Milwaukee has at least one more move coming this off-season as they try to shed that roster number down to 15. They could always achieve that by trading Dudley to a contender in exchange for a pick, but that seems unlikely. Waiving Chris Wright‘s unguaranteed contract for next season may be the most logical move, but the Bucks appear reluctant to part ways with Wright. A move should be made and the final roster set within the next couple of weeks.

    In other Bucks news, everyone’s favorite Bucks beat writer Gery Woelfel sees good things for John Henson this season.

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    Based on what I'm hearing, that weight and strength John Henson added should pay off as the Bucks opening-game starting center.


    3:54 PM - 26 Aug 2014
    John Henson has spent the vast majority of his summer in Milwaukee working out, so it should be no surprise for anyone if he takes on a bigger role. Larry Sanders is also expected to make his return to the floor for Milwaukee this season (barring any off-court incidents), so we should have an interesting battle between the two for the starting center position.

    Speaking of centers, former Bucks big man Ekpe Udoh met with the Clippers today. The two parties have been reported as having mutual interest.
    Sam Amick ✔ @sam_amick
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    In other Clippers news, I'm told free agent big man Ekpe Udoh is on a visit in Clipper Land today.


    2:53 PM - 26 Aug 2014
    http://behindthebuckpass.com/2014/08...ter-situation/

    Woelfel still hating on Sanders. Says Henson is opening day starting center. Yeah right.

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    This just in: Jared Dudley is a Buck (for now). Carlos Delfino and Miroslav Raduljica are not.

    OK, so by now you've probably heard about Tuesday's big-by-late-August-standards trade between the Clippers and Bucks, one that saw Milwaukee add a distant first rounder (probably in 2017) at the cost of two non-essential players, the 2015 second rounder that the Bucks ironically got from L.A. in last summer's J.J. Redick deal, and the potential obligation to pay Dudley $4.25 million in the 15/16 season. Later in the day Milwaukee also officially announced the signing of 31st overall pick Damien Inglis, the 19-year-old native of French Guiana whose official signing was only a matter of time.

    So what does it mean for the Bucks now and what could it mean down the road? Let's start with an updated snapshot of Milwaukee's cap situation.




    The Deal with Dudley

    While the Clippers' motivations today were almost entirely financial in nature, the deal for Milwaukee looks like a modest but clearly positive one on a few levels:
    Numbers game. From a roster standpoint, the two-for-one deal trims the Bucks' roster to 14 guaranteed contracts in addition to the two non-guaranteed deals of Kendall Marshall and Chris Wright, giving the Bucks an obvious pathway to an opening night roster. While Wright continues to work out at the Bucks' practice facility (and vacation with the owners' families), logic would point to him as the obvious odd man out once the regular season rolls around. Then again, that could also change if we see additional player movement between now and late October (Ersan Ilyasova? O.J. Mayo? Larry Sanders?), which at this point probably shouldn't be ruled out.
    A late 2nd becomes a late 1st. Second round picks are nice; first round picks are generally better. In return for taking on Dudley's extra year of (potential) salary, the Bucks also swapped the 2015 Clipper second rounder they picked up in last summer's J.J. Redick sign-and-trade for a lottery-protected 2017 first rounder that becomes unprotected in 2018. Odds are that L.A. will be good enough over the next few seasons to make that a late first rounder, but it definitely beats picking from a similar spot in the second round.

    And yes, I know 2017 is seemingly far off, but that's OK. Thinking long term is exactly how the Bucks should be thinking, especially given that it's unlikely Milwaukee will use their cap space to sign any worthwhile free agents this year or next. While contending teams like the Clippers understandably have high discount rates in terms of valuing future assets (read: they'll trade against the future to win now), the Bucks have the luxury of taking the longview.
    A modest incremental cap hit...if any. By recent standards the Bucks didn't have to pay much for their future first rounder, and that's assuming they end up paying anything at all. That's because the deal actually saves the Bucks money this year ($500k) and will only result in a net cap hit if Dudley doesn't opt out of the final year of his contract next summer. Because Delfino and Raduljica both had fully non-guaranteed deals starting next summer, there is a decent chance the Bucks end up seeing a $4.25 million rise in their cap 15/16 number if Dudley opts to stay in Milwaukee, cutting into their cap flexibility next summer.

    Of course, that's not a terribly steep price in today's pick-hungry NBA. Consider that the Lakers took on Jeremy Lin's $15 million salary for what will undoubtedly be a late first rounder next year from Houston, while Utah took on $24 million in deadweight salary last summer for Golden State's 23rd overall pick this year and the rights to the Warriors' first rounder in 2017. Meanwhile, the Bucks actually increased their cap space this year and overall only added at worst $3.75 million in total salaries. That's pretty good value any way you slice it.
    The downside...could be upside? The worst case scenario for the Bucks would be that Dudley underperforms (thus keeping his trade value low) while stealing minutes from guys like Khris Middleton and Giannis Antetokounmpo, a scenario that would assuredly earn the annoyance of most Bucks fans. Of course we'll also have to wait and see if Dudley is actually on the opening night roster first; while there's been no indication that the Bucks want to jettison Dudley, some comments he made last fall certainly raise questions about his interest in staying in Milwaukee.

    But that also highlights the irony of this move--in many ways Dudley is more desirable if he doesn't want to stay in Milwaukee beyond this season, since it increases the likelihood that he opts out of the final year of his deal. If that happens the Bucks would basically have saved $500k in 2014 cap room while picking up a future first rounder for their non-existent troubles. It's not to say I'm rooting for Jared Dudley to be miserable or anything--he generally has a reputation as a good, likable guy--but it's important to consider that there's a natural hedge in the event Dudley's time in Milwaukee is a...well, dud (sorry, couldn't resist).
    Outlook for 2014. Along with the official signing of Inglis, the Dudley deal should leave the Bucks with around $6.5 million in potential cap room with Wright and Marshall on board, bumping to around $7.4 million if Wright were waived. That's also assuming the renouncement of the Bucks' MLE, BAE and the free agent rights to Ramon Sessions, whom the Bucks could theoretically still sign-and-trade to Houston thanks to their cap space (ie they don't need his Bird rights so long as his salary is less than the Bucks' cap room...which it would be). I wouldn't hold my breath on that--I don't know what the Rockets could offer that the Bucks would actually want--but then again I wouldn't have expected Delfino and Raduljica to facilitate the acquisition of a first round pick either.
    Looking to 2015 and beyond. The obvious downside of the Dudley deal is also why the Clips were so intent on moving him: unlike Delfino and Raduljica, Dudley can decide himself whether he wants the $4.25 million owed to him in 15/16 or if he opts out to become an unrestricted free agent. If he did opt in, the Bucks as currently constructed would have under $6 million in potential cap space before accounting for the cap hold of their 2015 first round pick but including a nearly $9 million cap hold for potential restricted free agent Brandon Knight. The first round hold is a number that could be up to $4-5 million if Milwaukee ends up near the top of the draft again, and in that event they would just keep their mid-level exception since they'd have more money to spend operating over the cap than under it.

    Of course all of this assumes the roster doesn't change between now and next summer, which is quite unlikely. Dumping any of the Bucks' big contracts (Ersan Ilyasova, O.J. Mayo, and Larry Sanders) for expiring deals would provide significantly more cap flexibility, which may or may not be useful. Much greater flexibility would be projected for the summer of 2016, when Mayo, Ilyasova and Zaza Pachulia could potentially come off the books and leave the Bucks with a mostly blank slate.

    So the bottom line is that John Hammond, David Morway, Jason KIdd, et al deserve a nice golf clap for their efforts this week. The Bucks got closer to a final roster, upgraded a future draft pick, didn't have to give up any real roster assets, and only sacrificed a modest amount of summer 2015 flexibility to do it. It's not a home run, but it's at minimum a solid single.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/caponom...125716516.html

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    Has anyone heard anything about the protection on the pick? I looked at the Clippers cap hold, and Paul and Griffin are both locked up through 2018, so in all likelihood the protection won't matter, but you never know with injuries. I would be interested to see exactly what the specifics are on the pick. Kinda sucks that its a 2017 pick, because I'm really impatient and would love to get picks ASAP, but that couldn't have happened in this case. Who knows, maybe things will blow up for them by then and we may be sitting in a good position.

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    Lottery protected I believe, I like the trade. I think Dudley will be a great locker room guy to teach Giannis and Jabari what it is like to be a professional and not have bums like Sanders and Mayo as examples for the young guys.

    Not that it makes us a ton better but the second rounder will be likely in the 50's and the 1st rounder will be in the 20's

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