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View Poll Results: Who is the 7th best pitcher all-time

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  • Nolan Ryan

    7 23.33%
  • Bob Feller

    0 0%
  • Warren Spahn

    0 0%
  • Bob Gibson

    1 3.33%
  • Cy Young

    3 10.00%
  • Grover Cleveland Alexander

    8 26.67%
  • Lefty Grove

    2 6.67%
  • Steve Carlton

    1 3.33%
  • Tom Seaver

    3 10.00%
  • Pedro Martinez

    5 16.67%
  • Other - Please Specify

    0 0%
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    7th Best Pitcher of All-Time

    Just like we are doing with position players, we are also doing pitchers.


    Just like in this thread
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...3#post28649023

    Vote for one player, and nominate someone that isn't on the list that you want to see come up next.



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    Criteria: Take into account both peak and career play, era dominance, impact on the game of baseball, and how well their style of play and skills would transcend onto different eras. Statistical values, team values, etc all matter. To be more exact, how great they were at playing the game of baseball.
    So while this thread will be a poll, you vote for one player and then Nominate someone who is not on the list that way as the guys in the original list are selected we know who to add on the subsequent list.

    For example:

    If for #1 you vote Ruth, obviously we will see it in the poll, but don't just vote please, have discussion and include a nomination for who you think should be added to the next ranking on the poll.

    For me I might vote Ruth #1, and then say Nominate: Honus Wagner to be on the next poll for the #2 player.


    PSD's Top Pitcher of All-Time List:
    1. Walter Johnson
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...er-of-All-Time
    2. Randy Johnson
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...6#post28712846
    3. Roger Clemens
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...er-of-All-Time
    4. Greg Maddux
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...er-of-All-Time
    5. Sandy Koufax
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...er-of-All-Time
    6. Christy Mathewson
    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...7#post28888907


    Steve Carlton wins this nomination

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    I would vote for Alexander or Grove potentially, but I feel like Seaver should get my vote. He isn't much worse than those two all-time, and if Seaver doesn't get the support, then Nolan Ryan will win this, and he has no business in the top 10.

    Nominate: Niekro

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    And for anyone who does vote for Ryan, could you explain why?

    For example, why would you vote for him over Bert Blyleven?

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    GCA's numbers are sick.

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    Vote: Grover Cleveland Pete Alexander

    Nominate: Carl Hubbell

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    Alexander, add Marichal

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    Opps meant to vote for Alexander

    Nominate: Niekro

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    Vote Ryan
    Nominate Marichal

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    I just want one person voting for Ryan, to explain why they are voting for Ryan. Just one

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    Pedro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I just want one person voting for Ryan, to explain why they are voting for Ryan. Just one
    I watched him pitch for the Angels for many years. I know all this stuff about advanced metrics saying he wasn't what he was, but he actually dominated for years. Besides the no-hitters and one hitters. His stuff was nasty. Not just fastball, but curve and change up. Sandy Koufax had good years ad 5 dominant years. Ryan had that many dominant and yes longevity. 27 years in the bigs is impressive.

    5700 strikeout is impressive. Also, the no-hitters (7) and one hitters were impressive.

    You asked, I answered. Not going to debate WAR/fWAR- XFIP/ FIP.
    Last edited by RamOG; 08-05-2014 at 02:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamOG View Post
    I watched him pitch for the Angels for many years. I know all this stuff about advanced metrics saying he wasn't what he was, but he actually dominated for years. Forget the no-hitters and one hitters. His stuff was nasty. Not just fastball, but curve and change up. Sandy Koufax had good years ad 5 dominant years. Ryan had that many dominant and yes longevity. 27 years in the bigs is impressive.

    5700 strikeout is impressive. Also, the no-hitters (7) and one hitters were impressive.

    You asked, I answered. Not going to debate WAR/fWAR- XFIP/ FIP.
    Fair enough, and I appreciate that.

    Let me ask then, instead of those metrics.

    When you look at his career, and then you look at bert blyleven, do you see a comp?

    Blyleven hasn't even been nominated yet

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    I actually loved Blyleven even though he was a Twin. Nastiest curveball for a long time. I just don't see him in the top 10 all time. I may have over valued Ryan, but I really had a hard time between Gibson, Carlton, Ryan, Niekro and Marichal. Feller as well.

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    Cy Young, nominate Niekro.
    With the deepest of regrets I am announcing that I will be leaving Pro Sports Daily. No reason in particular but wanted to thank everyone for a great 6 years here. Lots of great discussion and good poll series as well. Also fun re-drafts. Best of luck to you all in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamOG View Post
    I actually loved Blyleven even though he was a Twin. Nastiest curveball for a long time. I just don't see him in the top 10 all time. I may have over valued Ryan, but I really had a hard time between Gibson, Carlton, Ryan, Niekro and Marichal. Feller as well.
    I want you to know that I can appreciate your opinion.

    I just don't see how Ryan can be ahead of some of these guys on this list. I was born in 83, so I only remember older Ryan. And growing up, I was always told how hard he threw and the stuff he had. But he walked soooo many guys. And he was never actually the best pitcher in baseball any year of his career. He was a workhorse. That has value. Actually a good amount of value. But he has no real peak. He was a strike out pitcher who pitched a very long time (IMO)

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