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    Will Phil do the play calling from his booth?

    Has anyone else entertained the idea that there will be moments throughout the season when Phil will do some play calling, or call in some strategic mid game changes from his booth?
    It's an effective NFL practice for both defenses & offenses. If anyone knows of a situation where this practice was reported in the NBA, please share. As far as I know, it's not knowingly a common practice in the NBA. What I don't know is if it would be deemed a cheating practice?
    JKid took a lot of criticism early last year, when people accused him of regularly passing the head coaching baton to his assistant coach.
    I think it would be a plus for the Knicks if this really was the situation. Phil was interested all along, in hiring a guy who played the role of floor general for him before, & with Fish having little coaching experience, why not play that role again?
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    i see it happening on certain times before games maybe like offer his opinions..

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    Phil Jackson is too smart to make that mistake. An executive telling a coach what plays to call is an insult and an embarrassment to the coach. He may offer suggestions here and there, but I am sure he is going to give Fisher enough room to figure things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick4Knack View Post
    Phil Jackson is too smart to make that mistake. An executive telling a coach what plays to call is an insult and an embarrassment to the coach. He may offer suggestions here and there, but I am sure he is going to give Fisher enough room to figure things out.
    your right under normal circumstances but pjax hired fish to specifically be hands on and teach him how to be a head coach I think pjax only does this this year and he takes off the training wheels after the asg or next year



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    Quote Originally Posted by micks4real View Post
    Has anyone else entertained the idea that there will be moments throughout the season when Phil will do some play calling, or call in some strategic mid game changes from his booth?
    It's an effective NFL practice for both defenses & offenses. If anyone knows of a situation where this practice was reported in the NBA, please share. As far as I know, it's not knowingly a common practice in the NBA. What I don't know is if it would be deemed a cheating practice?
    JKid took a lot of criticism early last year, when people accused him of regularly passing the head coaching baton to his assistant coach.
    I think it would be a plus for the Knicks if this really was the situation. Phil was interested all along, in hiring a guy who played the role of floor general for him before, & with Fish having little coaching experience, why not play that role again?
    It would be awful if that was our sitaution. A team president bigfooting a coach DURING a game? Hell no. If he doesn't trust Fisher to run the huddle without exception, he shouldn't have hired him.

    The reason you don't see coordinators in basketball like you do in football is because the game is smaller, for one, and more dynamic. Offense and defense aren't as rigidly separated in hoops as they are in football. Defensive schemes are run with an eye toward creating offense, and offensive sets include contingencies for transition defense (you're going to see a lot of that next year in the triangle).

    Some teams occasionally hire a defensive specialist, but I think that's ********. If your head coach doesn't know how coach defensive strategies, then he shoudln't be your head coach. And I think in many cases, that's just a label given to a guy who's considered an assistant head coach. Like Lawrence Frank was in New Jersey with Kidd, or what Woodson was with D'Antoni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    your right under normal circumstances but pjax hired fish to specifically be hands on and teach him how to be a head coach I think pjax only does this this year and he takes off the training wheels after the asg or next year
    Admittedly, it's a different animal with a President of Basketball Ops. They tend to be former players or coaches, and probably have an idea for how the team should play. In Phil's case, he preferred a coach who used the Triangle, but would have accepted a coach who had a defined system if it came to that. He probably has an idea for how players are to be treated by the coach, which could be viewed as boundary-stepping if you think executives should just hire the personnel and stay out of the day-to-day of the team. I personally think it's good that Phil is actually running the Knicks as a program, rather than just worrying about roster decisions. He has the credibility to do that, and it will cut out a lot of the BS we've had to endure the past few seasons.

    I'm sure he'll be a mentor to Fish. They'll talk before and after practice, they'll talk after games, they'll have a constant dialogue. But phil's never gonna use the Bat-Phone and call in a play from the press box. It just isn't going to happen. And anyway, there aren't really "plays" in the Triangle, per se. If you're in the Triangle, you have a ton of preset options, and options off of those options. Anybody, theoretically, should be able to dribble the ball up the court, make a pass, and be in the offense. Actually, the tag line Tex Winter used was "You're always in the offense" when you run the Triangle. No matter where you are, there should be options to pass or shoot.

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    Phil hasn't called a play from the sidelines in his life so I doubt he'll start now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    Phil hasn't called a play from the sidelines in his life so I doubt he'll start now.
    Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGamer81 View Post
    Admittedly, it's a different animal with a President of Basketball Ops. They tend to be former players or coaches, and probably have an idea for how the team should play. In Phil's case, he preferred a coach who used the Triangle, but would have accepted a coach who had a defined system if it came to that. He probably has an idea for how players are to be treated by the coach, which could be viewed as boundary-stepping if you think executives should just hire the personnel and stay out of the day-to-day of the team. I personally think it's good that Phil is actually running the Knicks as a program, rather than just worrying about roster decisions. He has the credibility to do that, and it will cut out a lot of the BS we've had to endure the past few seasons.

    I'm sure he'll be a mentor to Fish. They'll talk before and after practice, they'll talk after games, they'll have a constant dialogue. But phil's never gonna use the Bat-Phone and call in a play from the press box. It just isn't going to happen. And anyway, there aren't really "plays" in the Triangle, per se. If you're in the Triangle, you have a ton of preset options, and options off of those options. Anybody, theoretically, should be able to dribble the ball up the court, make a pass, and be in the offense. Actually, the tag line Tex Winter used was "You're always in the offense" when you run the Triangle. No matter where you are, there should be options to pass or shoot.
    This ....Well said!!

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    Phil will be available for advice. He certainly wouldn't take over coaching from Fisher in that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick4Knack:28858719
    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    Phil hasn't called a play from the sidelines in his life so I doubt he'll start now.
    Ouch!
    He will openly state that to anyone that listens. He might have some inbound plays but that is really it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    He will openly state that to anyone that listens. He might have some inbound plays but that is really it.
    Right. That's the point of the triangle. There are multiple plays set into each set.

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    I'm sure he will offer very meaningful advice that might help over a periods of time. He might help develop personnel strategy, again over time. In general, the advise I see him giving are those that help Fisher develop as a coach. Not micromanagement.

    I can't see how he would be calling plays or devising in-game strategy.


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    Knick fans come up with the most ridiculous topics, this would not and will not happen. If he wanted to coach he would, he hired Fisher because he knew they would be on the same page, not to puppet him or undermine the man. He has the upmost confidence the man can do the job, that's the coach and he will be allowed to do his thing.

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    No absolutely not.

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