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    The Letter

    Had to post this that I read from Stugotz which pretty much hit it spot on. I knew something just didn't add up and he is absolutely right how there is no mention of the fans in Lebron's letter and how its all for show with him.

    Stugotz "I feel the pain of our listeners"
    Posted on 7/15/2014 11:52:00 AM

    Anyone who listens to our show will likely be shocked that I decided to write something, anything and most definitely will be shocked at how serious I'm going to be. LeBron leaving Miami and how it was covered stirred enough emotion and anger in me that it motivated me to write something I simply wasn't hearing or wasn't hearing enough of. I think this might work because while liking the Heat and having many friends inside the organization, I don't have nearly the passion that real Heat fans do, therefore I am not blinded by 2 rings and 4 straight appearances in the finals. What I do have, is a love and respect for South Florida, my home since 1997 and I feel the pain of many of our listeners. Real Heat fans who believe it or not were real Heat fans long before LeBron James came to town. I have no idea what I'm doing, no idea if this is going to be any good, it's just my thoughts on everything that transpired over the last week. Enjoy.



    I arrived home at 9:30 pm Friday night, 14 hours after leaving my home thinking, "Will this be the day? The day LeBron finally makes his decision?" After taping a TV show, doing countless radio interviews, doing a 4-hour radio show and then going back to the TV station to re-tape the useless TV Show because the one we taped that morning was armed without a decision from LeBron James, I poured myself some Scotch and reflected on a week unlike any other I've experienced since I got into this business 15 years ago. I happily dove into the LeBron James free agency pool head first, delayed a vacation so I could be on the air in what used to be the deadest time in sports. Not anymore. NBA Free Agency has thankfully changed that. Had to be here, had to be around it, couldn't take my eyes off of it. Is he staying? Is he going? Is there a mystery team? Are they forcing Bosh out? Are they making room for Carmelo? Would they dare part ways with Wade? I ignored family and friends, ignored the day-to-day responsibilities of owning and running a company, ate little, slept less, hurt my finger refreshing Adrian Wojnarowski's twitter account, stared at crawls and watched SportsCenter over and over and over again. It hit rock bottom when I chose Larry Coon's twitter account over making love to my wife. I was glued to Coon's timeline, so no time for sex, he was explaining, 140 characters at a time, how the Heat could do a sign and trade with the Rockets for Chris Bosh and maybe, just maybe, the Heat were going to do that trade and hopefully make room for Carmelo Anthony. I was angry at LeBron James on Friday, really angry. Uncomfortable with how angry I was, I sipped my Scotch and decided the best thing to do was to hop out of the LeBron James free agency pool for 48 hours, dry off, resume what used to be life while examining why I felt so much anger toward him and see how I felt in 48 hours. I promised myself I would write those feelings down.



    Forty-eight hours later, I am angrier now than I was then. My anger, of course, has nothing to do with what LeBron did on the court. He was great. My anger had nothing to do with his decision. He fulfilled a contract and was a free agent, FREE to do whatever he wanted to do and what he wanted to do, evidently, was go home to Cleveland. Good for him. What I discovered over these last 48 hours, though, was that I simply don't like the calculated way in which LeBron James and his friends conduct their business and that makes me like him less as a person.



    Shame on you, national media, for telling Miami it can't be mad because this is the story YOU wanted to see, this is the story that makes YOU feel good. Shame on you for being so loud in your applause for LeBron for doing exactly what he did to Cleveland four years ago that you completely ignored the other side of the story. The Miami side. Shame on you, local media, for not having the guts to criticize LeBron for leaving. He hurt your city and, more importantly, the people who live in it. Two South Florida pillars, Micky Arison and Pat Riley, were hurting and what did you do? Ignored that and them because you were too busy applauding LeBron for choosing home and doing it the right way this time! Shame on you. He duped you. Shame on you for telling South Florida it shouldn't be angry at LeBron, couldn't be angry at LeBron. Gratitude? Please. You can be grateful AND angry. Aren't media members supposed to be voices for our community? In an effort to not act the way Cleveland acted four years ago, you failed to realize how badly your own city was hurting.



    He rented us, our emotions, our love, our fandom and then, in a blink of an eye and without proper warning, the lease was over. Penned an essay that didn't thank Miami fans, told Dan Gilbert he was coming home, told Micky he was leaving his new home, hopped on a plane to Brazil and it was over. He was Miami's pride and joy one second and Cleveland's the next. It hurt.



    When LeBron decided to take his talents to South Beach four years ago, I voiced loudly that what he did to Cleveland and specifically Dan Gilbert was classless and disgusting, even while excited for Miami. Dan Gilbert found out about LeBron's decision at basically the same time you and I found out about LeBron's decision. Four years later, we're applauding him for growing up and doing it the right way? Really? During my weekend of reflection, I kept falling back on two things, Stephen A. Smith, a man who reported LeBron would come to Miami four years ago and reported he would leave Miami four years later, a credible voice in a field that is lacking credibility, told us multiple times on our radio show that his sources told him that LeBron James was counting down the days of his departure from Miami and his heroic return to Cleveland for two years. In addition to that, I remember the number of times over the last four years I heard from credible people that LeBron and his friends "love to bleep with people" and "they love the drama."



    With those two things in mind, let's examine the "right way" and how much maturity LeBron demonstrated throughout this process. If you believe Stephen A. Smith, and I do, LeBron and his entourage have been planning this for at least two years, although my guess is they've been planning this a lot longer than that. Think back to where we were two years ago. LeBron had just won his first title, the Heat added Ray Allen that off-season and it looked like the Heat were going to go on a run of championships that LeBron himself promised Miami on his very first day. The Heat delivered on every promise, helped him win his first championship, added players to help the team improve and, if you believe Stephen A. Smith, LeBron repaid them by secretly planning his return to Cleveland with his buddies. Do you honestly think he came up with this plan last week? The decision, the letter, the execution and the departure? Planned his exit while playing for another team. Yeah, he did it the right way.



    He had his highly anticipated lunch with Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade and, according to Bosh, barely talked about the Big 3 coming back to Miami even though Bosh thought that's what the lunch was supposed to be about. It was then, Bosh says, he first realized this might go away, that the Big 3 had maybe played their final game together. LeBron didn't tell the two players who sacrificed the most for him. Yeah, he did it the right way. He informed Chis Bosh via text. Yeah, he did it the right way. He met Dan Gilbert before he met with Pat Riley and never met with Micky Arison. Yeah, he did it the right way. He dragged Pat Riley to Las Vegas presumably at about the same time he penned his essay and infused Riley with more hope while already knowing he was going back to Cleveland. Yeah, he did it the right way. He blindsided Micky, Pat and the entire Heat organization in much the same way he did to Dan Gilbert and the Cavalier organization four years ago. Yeah, he did it the right way. Like Dan Gilbert, Micky Arison found about it at roughly the same time you and I did. Yeah, he did it the right way. He didn't thank Miami's fans in his essay for having his back through four years of hatred. Yeah, he did it the right way.



    It was that, his treatment of the Miami Heat organization and its fan base, that fueled my anger. They deserved better and what they got was basically the same treatment the Cavaliers and their fans received for years earlier. For as large as he is on the court, he is equally as small and petty off the court. The fan treatment bothers me the most. I always hated the "Miami didn't deserve him" narrative and Miami was lucky to get him. Some city was going to be lucky, and no city deserved him more than another. Not you, New York. Not you, Chicago. Not you, LA. He wasn't ours, he wasn't yours, he was and will always be Cleveland's. The guy you are all applauding now, denied them that right, denied the people he claims he cares about so much the right to see him win his first NBA title. That will forever belong to Miami. Tired of hearing about how lucky we were to have him. He gave us four incredible years, no doubt, but let me be clear on one thing. HE CHOSE Miami, Miami didn't choose him. Let that sink in for a second. He chose to come to Miami. Not New York, not LA, not Chicago and not Cleveland. Yes, we were lucky to get him but he was luckier to get Miami. He was lucky to live in such a cool and vibrant city in his mid 20's with his best friends and work for a rock solid, professional organization who knew how to get him what he needed, what he craved, a championship. Not once, but twice. He was lucky to have a friend in Dwayne Wade who, unlike LeBron, has such little ego that he was willing to hand his team and his city over to the new guy. To have another friend who was willing to go from a 22 and 10 guy in Toronto to a punchline in Miami. To have an owner and president who would pay for and put the right talent around him. To have Udonis Haslem as his bodyguard. To have Mario Chalmers to yell at. To have Ray Allen literally win him a championship. And to have fans who welcomed him with open arms, who adored him, fell in love with him and idolized him. Fans who had his back when the rest of the world hated him, who felt and shared his pain and tried to sooth him after he lost to the Mavericks in the Finals his first season with the Heat. To have fans who cried tears of joy for him when he finally won his first title. To have fans who, unlike NY, LA and Chicago fans, wouldn't turn on him after he left. To have fans that turned their backs on the almighty NFL for four years and focused mainly on him. How did he repay them at the very end? By focusing so little on them when saying goodbye. Yeah, he did it the right way.



    LeBron plays basketball the right way. He helps kids and charities the right way. He does many things the right way. But he handles his business and treats his fans the wrong way. I feel like what we are all witnessing is some sort of scripted, pre-planned career that feels disingenuous and forced. Makes me wonder if he and friends planned their exit from Cleveland, their four years in Miami and their triumphant return to Cleveland well before he sat in that gymnasium with Jim Gray for "The Decision". He chose drama and self promotion over his fans emotions not once but twice. He chose blindsiding owners, GM's and coaches over handling his business the correct way and seemed to get some sort of enjoyment out of it. Miami was the perfect city. No one would care when he left us, he knew the national applause he would receive for going home, would drown out the scattering of local boos. He purposely and knowingly hurt two NBA teams and two fans bases who cared about him deeply for his own personal gain, for his ego to be stroked, for some Instagram followers and so he and his friends could have a few laughs at everyone's expense.

    I'll finish by asking you one yes or no question. Would you honestly be surprised if Lebron left Cleveland again? If you answered correctly it should tell you all you need to know about the man.
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    It hit rock bottom when I chose Larry Coon's twitter account over making love to my wife
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    LRMR, lebrons handlers & manipulators are only partly to blame. Lebron must give everything the thumbs up, go ahead and the nod. Could you imagine these pricks behind closed doors snickering & high-fiving one another, while plotting their moves of betrayal.

    Nothing Lebron does is by accident or made on the whim. It's always been calculated. He used & raped Miami for his 2 ships, to get the monkey off his back. Now that he's done.....he wipes off his semen, dries his c*ck off with a Heat jersey & grabs some Heat players on his way out. Bringing w/ him his 2 finals MVP's, 2 Championship rings & a smile.


    "A lot of basketball players today are overpaid & it influences their game & work ethics in a negative way. They've been given things they haven't earned and I think the game has been cheated." - Michael Jordan

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    Venting and expressing one's hurt and frustration in the form of writing is a lot cheaper than a shrink, that is for sure! I think he needs to go home and make love to his wife!

    Organizations do shady things to be on top. You can rarely, if ever, be on top without being shady at one point or another. FOR THIS REASON, I have never and will never pledge allegiance to any NBA franchise! Because of this, there ought to be no expectations of courtesy or love on either part. If they DO show love and courtesy, awesome; more power to them (be it the player and/or the organization).

    LeBron had every right to leave Cleveland, to do his original decision (which I 100% agree with everyone including the guy who wrote this that it was incredibly distasteful to the Cleveland fans), and to sign on with the Miami Heat.... Just as the Miami Heat had every right to use it's amnesty on Mike Miller. It doesn't show love, or courtesy to amnesty a player only to get more players that play similar position and ignore their huge gaping hole needs at PG and C. The Heat should not be given crap for amnestying, cutting, not re-signing any of their players. They shouldn't be expected to be loyal to ALL their players, anymore than a player should be expected to be loyal to the organization.

    Having said all that, I think it was incredibly wise of James (assuming he knew he was going to leave in 4 seasons), to get the draft picks over to Cleveland (2015), as well as have the opt out clause on year 4 to leave so that while Cleveland tanks, they accumulate a plethora of young talent as they wait for his return. It was especially wise to wait until the players that could have helped fix some of Miami's needs (Lowry/Gortat) were already signed by another organization to further weaken a soon-to-be rival. If an organization had this sort of control, more often than not, THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING! Look at how teams purposely tank to get lottery picks for God's sake! James is a genius if he did all this premeditatively but I completely understand and sympathize with Heat fans being pissed off and upset by this. I just hope they remember that organizations mistreat their players exponentially more than the player does their organization (look at Morey and the Houston Rockets for example). I hope people come to the realization that team loyalty is completely one-sided.
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    Redrum...This will be the first time I say this as I have been patient and understanding about your intentions on the other thread... but you are just fishing to rattle heat fans up. I am guessing your lack if Fandom for any organization is what makes this difficult to understand. We love our franchise and our team... none of us were happy with the organization when Mike Miller wad amnestied... just like we are unhappy about Lebron's calculated departure. We gave him and our team our fanhood and love... what did he do, he wiped it with his @$$ and took a dump on our franchise. So, I for one am pissed about it and you are getting on my very patient nerves. Please stop trying to tell us to understand and appreciate!!!!! How about you understand and appreciate what it is to be a life long fan of a franchise.

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    here comes the arguments from heat fans .. lets stop this .. we have to stay classy .. in fact we should be more excited now that the quitter is gone and we still have a very good team here .. lets hope wade and deng stays healthy and we`ll have our chance on that cavs team in the playoffs ! lets go heat !!!!

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    I get what Stugotz is saying and if Lebron did do one thing wrong, it was not mentioning Heat fans in his letter. While that was a mistake Lebron is such a polarizing player he literally has to be perfect or someone will criticize something he does, and he can't be perfect. Stugotz is completely right about one thing though, Lebron did 100% completely use the Miami Heat organization. He came to the Miami Heat almost crawling, starving of a championship after the Cleveland Cavaliers couldn't put anything close to a championship team around him. He came to us like that and learned how to win and become a great leader on the court. Miami did everything it could to make him as comfortable as possible and he has become something on the basketball court that will never be seen again when he retires; just like Jordan and Kobe, he has made a name for HIMSELF.

    While Stugotz was correct in that regard, it isn't like it didn't work out well for us either. Over the last 4 years, Miami has gotten their all time record above .500 (I posted a thread about it like a year ago), we won 27 games in a row (2nd most all time), free agents will now always consider Miami when choosing a destination, we went to the NBA Finals 4 years in a row, and we won 2 NBA Championships, all while the rest of the league hated us. That's pretty good, and it is only because Lebron chose us. We were lucky to get Lebron but there is a reason he chose Miami, and that is because of the quality of the organization as well as Wade/Bosh.

    I can't hate Lebron for what he did. I try to look at every situation from both sides, not just the side I'm on and before he came to Miami, Lebron never had a maturation process. He was hailed as the next "Chosen One" when he a 15 year old Sophomore in High School. The whole state of Ohio basically jumped on Lebron's back when he was 15 years old and expected him to carry them to the promised land. They gave him everything he ever wanted, always cow tow'd to him, and there was never consequences for his actions. He had an owner who was more interested in bankrolling off him rather than spend money to put a championship team around him, or bring in a veteran to help show him the way. So from time to time when Lebron was on the Cavaliers he would do something immature, but can anyone really blame him in that environment? I'll say under those circumstances he did pretty good. He carried a pretty bad cast to the Finals, and had 2 60 win seasons in 7 years. I have no evidence of this, but IMO Lebron came to the realization that he may never win a title unless he himself does something when the Celtics knocked him out in 2008. So when he became a Free Agent in 2010 I do believe he was looking to leave. He has always mentioned missing the college experience and he wanted to get out of Ohio as that is the only place he had ever known. He CHOSE Miami, over New York, LA, and Chicago not only because of Wade/Bosh, but also because Miami wasn't going to cow tow to him and jump on his back and hope he carries them to the promised land. If he had gone to New York, LA (Clippers), or Chicago it would have been more of the same as it was in Cleveland. Everyone would have done what he wanted, there would have been massive cow towing, and no repercussions for his actions. Had he not chose Miami in 2010, he may still be sitting ring-less in 2014. Miami was Wade's team, a guy who had been through it all and done everything (except win MVP) on the basketball court. Miami was Lebron's chance to learn how to truly win. He didn't stand on the sidelines, but the 2010-2011 Miami Heat was the first team who didn't just jump on his back since he was 15 years old. Yes, he choked in the 2011 Finals, but that was because he never got the chance to learn how to win in his life. After the 2011 loss, it was the first time he had to look at himself rather than look at everyone else (who was always just jumping on his back expecting to be carried). That was his maturation process, and it has made him the player he is today.

    Yes Lebron did use Miami. He learned how to win, made his own identity, and became a great leader before taking his talents back to the city that shunned him because he couldn't carry them to the promised land. But Lebron is from Ohio and that region hasn't won a professional championship in 50 years. As young as that team is Lebron can do for that young team what the Miami Heat did for him, and that is teach them how to win. This was Lebron's best chance to bring a championship to his home, and what would be their first championship in 50 years, and in his mind he couldn't pass that up.

    So all in all while I do wish Lebron stayed and completed this run with Wade/Bosh I get his decision. Stugotz talked about Lebron leaving the wrong way, but there is no "right way" to leave a team, leaving is leaving. I think Lebron waited so long because he wasn't sure if it was the right thing to do (just like how he left Cleveland in 2010). So it was fun while it lasted but now its over. I'm going to look back at Lebron in Miami and be happy for what we did. We had one of the greatest 4 year runs in the history of the league. IMO had we completed the 3 peat, it would have been the most impressive 3 peat in history. Obviously, I want Miami to continue to win and I'm going to miss winning championships if we stop competing, but I know Riley and the front office are going to continue to put us in the best position to win. I'll be happy for Lebron if he wins another ring. I won't be happy if his Cavaliers beat us but if he finds himself competing for another title I'm going to root for Lebron over just some random team. Lebron has done enough for us to make me feel that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiLoyal926 View Post
    Redrum...This will be the first time I say this as I have been patient and understanding about your intentions on the other thread... but you are just fishing to rattle heat fans up. I am guessing your lack if Fandom for any organization is what makes this difficult to understand. We love our franchise and our team... none of us were happy with the organization when Mike Miller wad amnestied... just like we are unhappy about Lebron's calculated departure. We gave him and our team our fanhood and love... what did he do, he wiped it with his @$$ and took a dump on our franchise. So, I for one am pissed about it and you are getting on my very patient nerves. Please stop trying to tell us to understand and appreciate!!!!! How about you understand and appreciate what it is to be a life long fan of a franchise.
    I'm sorry you're feeling this way. This is not my intentions. What did I say (other than expressing my own personal thoughts/feelings about this guy's essay) that has me telling anyone to understand and appreciate? In fact, I said specifically, if I were a Heat fan, I would not appreciate and I'd be very upset. My point is that, team loyalty is one-sided. You know how that saying goes, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..." Do you agree or disagree with that?

    Copy/paste anything where I'm telling anyone to appreciate in any post I've made (not just this thread), I speak for myself and have no issue articulating myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    I get what Stugotz is saying and if Lebron did do one thing wrong, it was not mentioning Heat fans in his letter. While that was a mistake Lebron is such a polarizing player he literally has to be perfect or someone will criticize something he does, and he can't be perfect. Stugotz is completely right about one thing though, Lebron did 100% completely use the Miami Heat organization. He came to the Miami Heat almost crawling, starving of a championship after the Cleveland Cavaliers couldn't put anything close to a championship team around him. He came to us like that and learned how to win and become a great leader on the court. Miami did everything it could to make him as comfortable as possible and he has become something on the basketball court that will never be seen again when he retires; just like Jordan and Kobe, he has made a name for HIMSELF.

    While Stugotz was correct in that regard, it isn't like it didn't work out well for us either. Over the last 4 years, Miami has gotten their all time record above .500 (I posted a thread about it like a year ago), we won 27 games in a row (2nd most all time), free agents will now always consider Miami when choosing a destination, we went to the NBA Finals 4 years in a row, and we won 2 NBA Championships, all while the rest of the league hated us. That's pretty good, and it is only because Lebron chose us. We were lucky to get Lebron but there is a reason he chose Miami, and that is because of the quality of the organization as well as Wade/Bosh.

    I can't hate Lebron for what he did. I try to look at every situation from both sides, not just the side I'm on and before he came to Miami, Lebron never had a maturation process. He was hailed as the next "Chosen One" when he a 15 year old Sophomore in High School. The whole state of Ohio basically jumped on Lebron's back when he was 15 years old and expected him to carry them to the promised land. They gave him everything he ever wanted, always cow tow'd to him, and there was never consequences for his actions. He had an owner who was more interested in bankrolling off him rather than spend money to put a championship team around him, or bring in a veteran to help show him the way. So from time to time when Lebron was on the Cavaliers he would do something immature, but can anyone really blame him in that environment? I'll say under those circumstances he did pretty good. He carried a pretty bad cast to the Finals, and had 2 60 win seasons in 7 years. I have no evidence of this, but IMO Lebron came to the realization that he may never win a title unless he himself does something when the Celtics knocked him out in 2008. So when he became a Free Agent in 2010 I do believe he was looking to leave. He has always mentioned missing the college experience and he wanted to get out of Ohio as that is the only place he had ever known. He CHOSE Miami, over New York, LA, and Chicago not only because of Wade/Bosh, but also because Miami wasn't going to cow tow to him and jump on his back and hope he carries them to the promised land. If he had gone to New York, LA (Clippers), or Chicago it would have been more of the same as it was in Cleveland. Everyone would have done what he wanted, there would have been massive cow towing, and no repercussions for his actions. Had he not chose Miami in 2010, he may still be sitting ring-less in 2014. Miami was Wade's team, a guy who had been through it all and done everything (except win MVP) on the basketball court. Miami was Lebron's chance to learn how to truly win. He didn't stand on the sidelines, but the 2010-2011 Miami Heat was the first team who didn't just jump on his back since he was 15 years old. Yes, he choked in the 2011 Finals, but that was because he never got the chance to learn how to win in his life. After the 2011 loss, it was the first time he had to look at himself rather than look at everyone else (who was always just jumping on his back expecting to be carried). That was his maturation process, and it has made him the player he is today.

    Yes Lebron did use Miami. He learned how to win, made his own identity, and became a great leader before taking his talents back to the city that shunned him because he couldn't carry them to the promised land. But Lebron is from Ohio and that region hasn't won a professional championship in 50 years. As young as that team is Lebron can do for that young team what the Miami Heat did for him, and that is teach them how to win. This was Lebron's best chance to bring a championship to his home, and what would be their first championship in 50 years, and in his mind he couldn't pass that up.

    So all in all while I do wish Lebron stayed and completed this run with Wade/Bosh I get his decision. Stugotz talked about Lebron leaving the wrong way, but there is no "right way" to leave a team, leaving is leaving. I think Lebron waited so long because he wasn't sure if it was the right thing to do (just like how he left Cleveland in 2010). So it was fun while it lasted but now its over. I'm going to look back at Lebron in Miami and be happy for what we did. We had one of the greatest 4 year runs in the history of the league. IMO had we completed the 3 peat, it would have been the most impressive 3 peat in history. Obviously, I want Miami to continue to win and I'm going to miss winning championships if we stop competing, but I know Riley and the front office are going to continue to put us in the best position to win. I'll be happy for Lebron if he wins another ring. I won't be happy if his Cavaliers beat us but if he finds himself competing for another title I'm going to root for Lebron over just some random team. Lebron has done enough for us to make me feel that way.
    I agree with just about everything you said! I appreciate your maturity and no doubt your team will rebound (no pun intended) from this.

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    [QUOTE=Redrum187;28806286]Venting and expressing one's hurt and frustration in the form of writing is a lot cheaper than a shrink, that is for sure! I think he needs to go home and make love to his wife!

    Organizations do shady things to be on top. You can rarely, if ever, be on top without being shady at one point or another. FOR THIS REASON, I have never and will never pledge allegiance to any NBA franchise! Because of this, there ought to be no expectations of courtesy or love on either part. If they DO show love and courtesy, awesome; more power to them (be it the player and/or the organization).

    LeBron had every right to leave Cleveland, to do his original decision (which I 100% agree with everyone including the guy who wrote this that it was incredibly distasteful to the Cleveland fans), and to sign on with the Miami Heat.... Just as the Miami Heat had every right to use it's amnesty on Mike Miller. It doesn't show love, or courtesy to amnesty a player only to get more players that play similar position and ignore their huge gaping hole needs at PG and C. The Heat should not be given crap for amnestying, cutting, not re-signing any of their players. They shouldn't be expected to be loyal to ALL their players, anymore than a player should be expected to be loyal to the organization.

    Having said all that, I think it was incredibly wise of James (assuming he knew he was going to leave in 4 seasons), to get the draft picks over to Cleveland (2015), as well as have the opt out clause on year 4 to leave so that while Cleveland tanks, they accumulate a plethora of young talent as they wait for his return. It was especially wise to wait until the players that could have helped fix some of Miami's needs (Lowry/Gortat) were already signed by another organization to further weaken a soon-to-be rival. If an organization had this sort of control, more often than not, THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING! Look at how teams purposely tank to get lottery picks for God's sake! James is a genius if he did all this premeditatively but I completely understand and sympathize with Heat fans being pissed off and upset by this. I just hope they remember that organizations mistreat their players exponentially more than the player does their organization (look at Morey and the Houston Rockets for example). I hope people come to the realization that team loyalty is completely one-sided.[/QUOTE]

    The bold section is a plea to understand and justify the way lebron chose to leave. As loyal fans of what has been mostly a loyal organization, why should we understand his lack of loyalty? It is not the why he left, it's the how he left that undermined us as fans and an organization.

    While I admit that your post was not as terrible as my reaction merited... it is quite exhausting to constantly hear this notion that we must understand him and appreciate him. We appreciate the four years, but do not appreciate and understand why he held us up for 12 days and in turn did not reciprocate any of that appreciation to our organization and fans. Actions do speak louder than words... and his actions continue to resound louder than the words he wrote. Appreciate those who should appreciate you. It is a two way street. Zero appreciation was shown to us when he chose to handicap us in free agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrum187 View Post
    Venting and expressing one's hurt and frustration in the form of writing is a lot cheaper than a shrink, that is for sure! I think he needs to go home and make love to his wife!

    Organizations do shady things to be on top. You can rarely, if ever, be on top without being shady at one point or another. FOR THIS REASON, I have never and will never pledge allegiance to any NBA franchise! Because of this, there ought to be no expectations of courtesy or love on either part. If they DO show love and courtesy, awesome; more power to them (be it the player and/or the organization).

    LeBron had every right to leave Cleveland, to do his original decision (which I 100% agree with everyone including the guy who wrote this that it was incredibly distasteful to the Cleveland fans), and to sign on with the Miami Heat.... Just as the Miami Heat had every right to use it's amnesty on Mike Miller. It doesn't show love, or courtesy to amnesty a player only to get more players that play similar position and ignore their huge gaping hole needs at PG and C. The Heat should not be given crap for amnestying, cutting, not re-signing any of their players. They shouldn't be expected to be loyal to ALL their players, anymore than a player should be expected to be loyal to the organization.

    Having said all that, I think it was incredibly wise of James (assuming he knew he was going to leave in 4 seasons), to get the draft picks over to Cleveland (2015), as well as have the opt out clause on year 4 to leave so that while Cleveland tanks, they accumulate a plethora of young talent as they wait for his return. It was especially wise to wait until the players that could have helped fix some of Miami's needs (Lowry/Gortat) were already signed by another organization to further weaken a soon-to-be rival. If an organization had this sort of control, more often than not, THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING! Look at how teams purposely tank to get lottery picks for God's sake! James is a genius if he did all this premeditatively but I completely understand and sympathize with Heat fans being pissed off and upset by this. I just hope they remember that organizations mistreat their players exponentially more than the player does their organization (look at Morey and the Houston Rockets for example). I hope people come to the realization that team loyalty is completely one-sided.[/QUOTE]

    The bold section is a plea to understand and justify the way lebron chose to leave. As loyal fans of what has been mostly a loyal organization, why should we understand his lack of loyalty? It is not the why he left, it's the how he left that undermined us as fans and an organization.

    While I admit that your post was not as terrible as my reaction merited... it is quite exhausting to constantly hear this notion that we must understand him and appreciate him. We appreciate the four years, but do not appreciate and understand why he held us up for 12 days and in turn did not reciprocate any of that appreciation to our organization and fans. Actions do speak louder than words... and his actions continue to resound louder than the words he wrote. Appreciate those who should appreciate you. It is a two way street. Zero appreciation was shown to us when he chose to handicap us in free agency.
    I honestly understand your seeing this way and appreciate you even admitting my actions may not have merited your reaction (no hard feelings). Expressing my hope was not a plea or a demand or a request to "justify" LeBron's actions. LeBron needs no justification for what he did. Fans have the right to hate/not appreciate him, and he has the right to do what he did. I am ignoring the ethical ramifications of James leaving Cleveland and Miami because I feel he is entitled to do whatever he wants (even if he steps on toes and burns bridges) just as I think organizations have that right. I am not asking anyone, nor would I ever expect team organization's fans to condone or show compassion for LeBron, only that they look at things for how they truly are (take ethics out of amoral issues). LeBron's loyalty should be for himself and his family; if he chooses to stay loyal to Miami, awesome, more power to him. The Miami Heat's loyalty should be on improving their franchise at any expense (if they could trade Wade for Chris Paul, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard they should do it in my opinion)... but if they want to sacrifice team success to show love and appreciation for a long-time Heat player, that is their prerogative.

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    "LeBron plays basketball the right way. He helps kids and charities the right way. He does many things the right way. But he handles his business and treats his fans the wrong way."

    That pretty much sums it up. I'm super grateful for everything he did for us on the bball court. We got to witness 4 prime years of one of the greatest of all time. I just don't like the manner in which he and his Akron homies conduct their business. The way he left CLE was super F'ed up. And if he really knew all along that he was leaving Miami, it would've been nice if he announced his decision and let us know sooner. A thank you to Heat fans would've been nice as well. We may be the worst fans in the league, but it's still the right thing to do, right? I dunno....he's still one of my all time favorite players and I'll root for him if the Heat get knocked out. For his sake, I hope he doesn't ever switch teams again. He doesn't do it the right way and I don't want people to remember him for that. As a life long Heat fan, I feel like we were used. And the rest of the country is like " Suck it up, you should be sucking his **** for getting you to the finals for 4 years." Fair enough but aren't we allowed to be a little upset?

    Props to Riley for recovering nicely and keeping us relevant for the next two years.

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    Stugotz on LeBron... Great Read

    Anyone who listens to our show will likely be shocked that I decided to write something, anything and most definitely will be shocked at how serious I'm going to be. LeBron leaving Miami and how it was covered stirred enough emotion and anger in me that it motivated me to write something I simply wasn't hearing or wasn't hearing enough of. I think this might work because while liking the Heat and having many friends inside the organization, I don't have nearly the passion that real Heat fans do, therefore I am not blinded by 2 rings and 4 straight appearances in the finals. What I do have, is a love and respect for South Florida, my home since 1997 and I feel the pain of many of our listeners. Real Heat fans who believe it or not were real Heat fans long before LeBron James came to town. I have no idea what I'm doing, no idea if this is going to be any good, it's just my thoughts on everything that transpired over the last week. Enjoy.



    I arrived home at 9:30 pm Friday night, 14 hours after leaving my home thinking, "Will this be the day? The day LeBron finally makes his decision?" After taping a TV show, doing countless radio interviews, doing a 4-hour radio show and then going back to the TV station to re-tape the useless TV Show because the one we taped that morning was armed without a decision from LeBron James, I poured myself some Scotch and reflected on a week unlike any other I've experienced since I got into this business 15 years ago. I happily dove into the LeBron James free agency pool head first, delayed a vacation so I could be on the air in what used to be the deadest time in sports. Not anymore. NBA Free Agency has thankfully changed that. Had to be here, had to be around it, couldn't take my eyes off of it. Is he staying? Is he going? Is there a mystery team? Are they forcing Bosh out? Are they making room for Carmelo? Would they dare part ways with Wade? I ignored family and friends, ignored the day-to-day responsibilities of owning and running a company, ate little, slept less, hurt my finger refreshing Adrian Wojnarowski's twitter account, stared at crawls and watched SportsCenter over and over and over again. It hit rock bottom when I chose Larry Coon's twitter account over making love to my wife. I was glued to Coon's timeline, so no time for sex, he was explaining, 140 characters at a time, how the Heat could do a sign and trade with the Rockets for Chris Bosh and maybe, just maybe, the Heat were going to do that trade and hopefully make room for Carmelo Anthony. I was angry at LeBron James on Friday, really angry. Uncomfortable with how angry I was, I sipped my Scotch and decided the best thing to do was to hop out of the LeBron James free agency pool for 48 hours, dry off, resume what used to be life while examining why I felt so much anger toward him and see how I felt in 48 hours. I promised myself I would write those feelings down.



    Forty-eight hours later, I am angrier now than I was then. My anger, of course, has nothing to do with what LeBron did on the court. He was great. My anger had nothing to do with his decision. He fulfilled a contract and was a free agent, FREE to do whatever he wanted to do and what he wanted to do, evidently, was go home to Cleveland. Good for him. What I discovered over these last 48 hours, though, was that I simply don't like the calculated way in which LeBron James and his friends conduct their business and that makes me like him less as a person.



    Shame on you, national media, for telling Miami it can't be mad because this is the story YOU wanted to see, this is the story that makes YOU feel good. Shame on you for being so loud in your applause for LeBron for doing exactly what he did to Cleveland four years ago that you completely ignored the other side of the story. The Miami side. Shame on you, local media, for not having the guts to criticize LeBron for leaving. He hurt your city and, more importantly, the people who live in it. Two South Florida pillars, Micky Arison and Pat Riley, were hurting and what did you do? Ignored that and them because you were too busy applauding LeBron for choosing home and doing it the right way this time! Shame on you. He duped you. Shame on you for telling South Florida it shouldn't be angry at LeBron, couldn't be angry at LeBron. Gratitude? Please. You can be grateful AND angry. Aren't media members supposed to be voices for our community? In an effort to not act the way Cleveland acted four years ago, you failed to realize how badly your own city was hurting.



    He rented us, our emotions, our love, our fandom and then, in a blink of an eye and without proper warning, the lease was over. Penned an essay that didn't thank Miami fans, told Dan Gilbert he was coming home, told Micky he was leaving his new home, hopped on a plane to Brazil and it was over. He was Miami's pride and joy one second and Cleveland's the next. It hurt.



    When LeBron decided to take his talents to South Beach four years ago, I voiced loudly that what he did to Cleveland and specifically Dan Gilbert was classless and disgusting, even while excited for Miami. Dan Gilbert found out about LeBron's decision at basically the same time you and I found out about LeBron's decision. Four years later, we're applauding him for growing up and doing it the right way? Really? During my weekend of reflection, I kept falling back on two things, Stephen A. Smith, a man who reported LeBron would come to Miami four years ago and reported he would leave Miami four years later, a credible voice in a field that is lacking credibility, told us multiple times on our radio show that his sources told him that LeBron James was counting down the days of his departure from Miami and his heroic return to Cleveland for two years. In addition to that, I remember the number of times over the last four years I heard from credible people that LeBron and his friends "love to bleep with people" and "they love the drama."



    With those two things in mind, let's examine the "right way" and how much maturity LeBron demonstrated throughout this process. If you believe Stephen A. Smith, and I do, LeBron and his entourage have been planning this for at least two years, although my guess is they've been planning this a lot longer than that. Think back to where we were two years ago. LeBron had just won his first title, the Heat added Ray Allen that off-season and it looked like the Heat were going to go on a run of championships that LeBron himself promised Miami on his very first day. The Heat delivered on every promise, helped him win his first championship, added players to help the team improve and, if you believe Stephen A. Smith, LeBron repaid them by secretly planning his return to Cleveland with his buddies. Do you honestly think he came up with this plan last week? The decision, the letter, the execution and the departure? Planned his exit while playing for another team. Yeah, he did it the right way.



    He had his highly anticipated lunch with Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade and, according to Bosh, barely talked about the Big 3 coming back to Miami even though Bosh thought that's what the lunch was supposed to be about. It was then, Bosh says, he first realized this might go away, that the Big 3 had maybe played their final game together. LeBron didn't tell the two players who sacrificed the most for him. Yeah, he did it the right way. He informed Chis Bosh via text. Yeah, he did it the right way. He met Dan Gilbert before he met with Pat Riley and never met with Micky Arison. Yeah, he did it the right way. He dragged Pat Riley to Las Vegas presumably at about the same time he penned his essay and infused Riley with more hope while already knowing he was going back to Cleveland. Yeah, he did it the right way. He blindsided Micky, Pat and the entire Heat organization in much the same way he did to Dan Gilbert and the Cavalier organization four years ago. Yeah, he did it the right way. Like Dan Gilbert, Micky Arison found about it at roughly the same time you and I did. Yeah, he did it the right way. He didn't thank Miami's fans in his essay for having his back through four years of hatred. Yeah, he did it the right way.



    It was that, his treatment of the Miami Heat organization and its fan base, that fueled my anger. They deserved better and what they got was basically the same treatment the Cavaliers and their fans received for years earlier. For as large as he is on the court, he is equally as small and petty off the court. The fan treatment bothers me the most. I always hated the "Miami didn't deserve him" narrative and Miami was lucky to get him. Some city was going to be lucky, and no city deserved him more than another. Not you, New York. Not you, Chicago. Not you, LA. He wasn't ours, he wasn't yours, he was and will always be Cleveland's. The guy you are all applauding now, denied them that right, denied the people he claims he cares about so much the right to see him win his first NBA title. That will forever belong to Miami. Tired of hearing about how lucky we were to have him. He gave us four incredible years, no doubt, but let me be clear on one thing. HE CHOSE Miami, Miami didn't choose him. Let that sink in for a second. He chose to come to Miami. Not New York, not LA, not Chicago and not Cleveland. Yes, we were lucky to get him but he was luckier to get Miami. He was lucky to live in such a cool and vibrant city in his mid 20's with his best friends and work for a rock solid, professional organization who knew how to get him what he needed, what he craved, a championship. Not once, but twice. He was lucky to have a friend in Dwayne Wade who, unlike LeBron, has such little ego that he was willing to hand his team and his city over to the new guy. To have another friend who was willing to go from a 22 and 10 guy in Toronto to a punchline in Miami. To have an owner and president who would pay for and put the right talent around him. To have Udonis Haslem as his bodyguard. To have Mario Chalmers to yell at. To have Ray Allen literally win him a championship. And to have fans who welcomed him with open arms, who adored him, fell in love with him and idolized him. Fans who had his back when the rest of the world hated him, who felt and shared his pain and tried to sooth him after he lost to the Mavericks in the Finals his first season with the Heat. To have fans who cried tears of joy for him when he finally won his first title. To have fans who, unlike NY, LA and Chicago fans, wouldn't turn on him after he left. To have fans that turned their backs on the almighty NFL for four years and focused mainly on him. How did he repay them at the very end? By focusing so little on them when saying goodbye. Yeah, he did it the right way.



    LeBron plays basketball the right way. He helps kids and charities the right way. He does many things the right way. But he handles his business and treats his fans the wrong way. I feel like what we are all witnessing is some sort of scripted, pre-planned career that feels disingenuous and forced. Makes me wonder if he and friends planned their exit from Cleveland, their four years in Miami and their triumphant return to Cleveland well before he sat in that gymnasium with Jim Gray for "The Decision". He chose drama and self promotion over his fans emotions not once but twice. He chose blindsiding owners, GM's and coaches over handling his business the correct way and seemed to get some sort of enjoyment out of it. Miami was the perfect city. No one would care when he left us, he knew the national applause he would receive for going home, would drown out the scattering of local boos. He purposely and knowingly hurt two NBA teams and two fans bases who cared about him deeply for his own personal gain, for his ego to be stroked, for some Instagram followers and so he and his friends could have a few laughs at everyone's expense.



    I'll finish by asking you one yes or no question. Would you honestly be surprised if Lebron left Cleveland again? If you answered correctly it should tell you all you need to know about the man.

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    We actually have a thread on this already haha, i will merge them
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    Quote Originally Posted by unleashthebeast View Post
    We actually have a thread on this already haha, i will merge them
    Sorry dude, thought this thread was on lebrons letter bout leaving

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