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    Waino over Kershaw huh?

    Well it was obviously the wrong decision, and two cardinal pitchers blew homefield advantage for National league.

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    Obviously now ya because we saw what Wainwright did. But it's not like it was night and day difference between the two. I probably would've given the ball to Kershaw, but Wainwright wasn't a bad choice. Kershaw does have 41.9 innings less than Wainwright, which could've been 5 starts, so he does have that against him.
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    Wainwright has been better than Kershaw this year

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    Does it really matter that much? It's not like Waino sucks. And yes everybody knows Kershaw is the National League's ace. To win a game with the option of anybody in the NL you would go with him. But he's only throwing 1 inning anyways so who cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25:28800653
    Wainwright has been better than Kershaw this year

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    It's not like it'll matter for the Dodgers anyway. BOOM.


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    This and Sale not begin on the team earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by mexican dodger View Post
    How?
    Wainwright
    12-4, 138 IP, 1.83 ERA, 51 -ERA, 201 ERA+ 5.0 rWAR

    Kershaw
    11-2, 96.1 IP, 1.78 ERA, 50 -ERA, 200 ERA+, 4.2 rWAR

    They are pitching basically the same rates, but Wainwright has thrown 42 more innings. Of course he's been better.






    But, maybe Justin Upton should have started over Puig considering his hat trick tonight and those missed catches in right (which he could have caught the triple Wainwright gave up)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Wainwright has been better than Kershaw this year
    Wainwright has more innings than Kershaw, Kershaw has been better statistically in every category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Wainwright
    12-4, 138 IP, 1.83 ERA, 51 -ERA, 201 ERA+ 5.0 rWAR

    Kershaw
    11-2, 96.1 IP, 1.78 ERA, 50 -ERA, 200 ERA+, 4.2 rWAR

    They are pitching basically the same rates, but Wainwright has thrown 42 more innings. Of course he's been better.






    But, maybe Justin Upton should have started over Puig considering his hat trick tonight and those missed catches in right (which he could have caught the triple Wainwright gave up)
    Agreed. I was gonna say if he's going to call out Waino for sucking, take a look at Puig. 0-3 with the hat trick and 2 missed catches that most OFers (Hunter Pence) would have caught.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    Wainwright has more innings than Kershaw, Kershaw has been better statistically in every category.
    In what categories?

    ERA+?
    -ERA?
    HR rate?
    WPA?

    You would obviously take the guy that has thrown 30% more innings than the other guy who has been possibly marginally better per inning (and if he has, it's barely).


    To this point, Wainwright has been the NL's best pitcher.

    If you want to go by the last 365 days, then I would pick Kershaw. But this year, Wainwright has been better. That's clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Wainwright
    12-4, 138 IP, 1.83 ERA, 51 -ERA, 201 ERA+ 5.0 rWAR

    Kershaw
    11-2, 96.1 IP, 1.78 ERA, 50 -ERA, 200 ERA+, 4.2 rWAR

    They are pitching basically the same rates, but Wainwright has thrown 42 more innings. Of course he's been better.






    But, maybe Justin Upton should have started over Puig considering his hat trick tonight and those missed catches in right (which he could have caught the triple Wainwright gave up)
    When did you start using rWAR for pitchers, or at all? I'm a little surprised. Is it because fWAR says Kersahw has been better in 40 less innings? It's also a little surprising to not see you bring up FIP or xFIP or Sierra? Have those stats fallen out of favor with you? I won't bring them up then.
    In Kershaw's favor I would like to point out he has been striking out more than 4 hitters per nine innings more than Wainwright(126-115 that's 11 more K's in 42 less innings). He has been walking less hitters and has induced 11.3% more GB this season.
    I would say he has been much more dominate up to this point, though Wainwright has more innings.
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    [QUOTE=Jeffy25:28800764]
    Quote Originally Posted by mexican dodger View Post
    How?
    Wainwright
    12-4, 138 IP, 1.83 ERA, 51 -ERA, 201 ERA+ 5.0 rWAR

    Kershaw
    11-2, 96.1 IP, 1.78 ERA, 50 -ERA, 200 ERA+, 4.2 rWAR

    They are pitching basically the same rates, but Wainwright has thrown 42 more innings. Of course he's been better.



    Kershaws numbers are better and is only 42 more innings because Kershaw was out not because waino pitch into deeper games, I'll take Kershaw over waino anyday

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyourself:28800697
    Does it really matter that much? It's not like Waino sucks. And yes everybody knows Kershaw is the National League's ace. To win a game with the option of anybody in the NL you would go with him. But he's only throwing 1 inning anyways so who cares.
    That inning mattered alot

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    [QUOTE=mexican dodger;28800921]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25:28800764

    Wainwright
    12-4, 138 IP, 1.83 ERA, 51 -ERA, 201 ERA+ 5.0 rWAR

    Kershaw
    11-2, 96.1 IP, 1.78 ERA, 50 -ERA, 200 ERA+, 4.2 rWAR

    They are pitching basically the same rates, but Wainwright has thrown 42 more innings. Of course he's been better.



    Kershaws numbers are better and is only 42 more innings because Kershaw was out not because waino pitch into deeper games, I'll take Kershaw over waino anyday
    I think thats already been established.


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