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    Brock Holt for Rookie of the Year

    Not only does he have great numbers, he has gotten the clutch hits, he has made the clutch defensive plays at positions he had never before played in his life, and he has played everywhere except pitcher and catcher.

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    Right now Abreu is the clear cut winner if Tanaka can't play the rest of the year. It will be interesting to see how much value he accrues over the course of the year though if he continues with his above-average bat and versatility.
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    Lets see how Abreu handles playing centerfield. Holt had a web gem the first game he played there in his life at any level.

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    Abreu

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    Except he isn't a rookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyfeldman View Post
    Lets see how Abreu handles playing centerfield. Holt had a web gem the first game he played there in his life at any level.
    Oh well then that does it. ROY for him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVNowitzki View Post
    Except he isn't a rookie.
    I think he just makes it

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    Brock Holt for Rookie of the Year

    George Springer should get some 2nd or 3rd place love

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyfeldman View Post
    Lets see how Abreu handles playing centerfield. Holt had a web gem the first game he played there in his life at any level.
    Sure, Abreu can't play centerfield. But Holt can't hit like Abreu either.

    What's the big deal about a web gem? That's irrelevant. Unless he's making great play after great play, that won't enhance his value that much. Any player can do that once in awhile. He made a great play. Great for him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyfeldman View Post
    Lets see how Abreu handles playing centerfield. Holt had a web gem the first game he played there in his life at any level.
    Let's see Holt slug .600+. wRC+ 157. Pace out to 50 HR half way through the year. Shall I continue?
    You have no idea how excited I am right now.


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    His numbers aren't quite good enough.

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    Holt has a high defensive value which does not show up in defensive WAR. You see, the "R" in WAR stands for replacement. However, when a manager is forced to put a player in a position he never played before, obviously there is no "R" available. Statistics ignore the value of a player who can plug a hole anywhere in the lineup and defend adequately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyfeldman View Post
    Holt has a high defensive value which does not show up in defensive WAR. You see, the "R" in WAR stands for replacement. However, when a manager is forced to put a player in a position he never played before, obviously there is no "R" available. Statistics ignore the value of a player who can plug a hole anywhere in the lineup and defend adequately.
    Rookie of he year is ran by offense, and the main thing they look for in that glorified award is freaking HRs and RBIs. I personally think Holt is the ****, but sadly no way he will get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyfeldman View Post
    Holt has a high defensive value which does not show up in defensive WAR. You see, the "R" in WAR stands for replacement. However, when a manager is forced to put a player in a position he never played before, obviously there is no "R" available. Statistics ignore the value of a player who can plug a hole anywhere in the lineup and defend adequately.
    Lots of people say WAR overrates Ben Zobrist because he has been a 5+ win player. But he has that value BECAUSE he plays everywhere, and does it well. Holt gets credit for his versatility. But that versatility hasn't been enough to overcome Abreus massive offensive lead.

    Also, I think you misunderstand the meaning of replacement level.
    You have no idea how excited I am right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyfeldman View Post
    Holt has a high defensive value which does not show up in defensive WAR. You see, the "R" in WAR stands for replacement. However, when a manager is forced to put a player in a position he never played before, obviously there is no "R" available. Statistics ignore the value of a player who can plug a hole anywhere in the lineup and defend adequately.
    He is more valuable because he plays multiple positions, like jej said. He would be less valuable if he played one position. WAR accounts for this. But because Abreu is so vastly superior offensively, it outweighs Holt's versatility.

    What does a manager putting a player into a position he's never played before have to do with replacement in WAR? The "R" is suppose to be a minor league/bench level player.

    He's got a good defensive value in the outfield (4 DRS), but is negative at third (-2 DRS) and first (-1 DRS).
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