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    2015 Brewers

    I want to preface this by saying I'm not giving up on this year's team. This is more just about a hope to get people talking.

    What do you think the team looks like next year? And what types of moves would you make?

    Looking at the current roster makeup, here are a few of the choices we have.

    Yo has a team option for #13million, which is about a $2 million bump from this year.

    ARam has a mutual option for $14 million, which is about a $2 million dollar decrease from this year. He will also be in his age 37 season.

    Reynolds, Overbay and Zach Duke are free agents with pretty small salary numbers. Weeks has a team option that would have automatically vested based on plate appearances from this year and last year, but he's going to come no where near that, so he's $11 million off the books. KRod's $3.25 million comes off the books. Gorz's almost $3million is off the books.

    As far as increases go, Lohse and Garza's salary stay the same. Braun bumps by $2 million (although the year after he gets a $7 million dollar raise.) Gomez has two years left, each bumping up his salary by $1 million. Lucroy is due a $1 million raise. Basically everyone else is in arbitration or pre arb, with Marco Estrada being the only one I can think of that will probably account for more than $1 million in a raise.

    Basically, what I'm getting from this is that, even if Yo and Rammy are picked up, we'll probably have somewhere around $10-15 million to spend to keep the payroll roughly where it is, with the major needs being 1B and RP, with the future at 3B also being kept in mind. If Rammy isn't back, whether that be our choice or his, we should then have more like $25 million to spend, with 1B, RP and 3B being the major needs.

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    When I look at that summary, I say we need to pickup Yo's deal and probably exercise our end of the mutual option for Rammy. I think Nelson deserves his shot at the rotation next year, and wouldn't be shocked if Marco was able to bounce back a little bit. But even if Yo isn't in our future, he still has some value as a pitcher for $13 million in the trade market.

    I think the 1 yr left deal for Rammy would be perfect for us. I could see him opting out, in hopes of one last 2-3 year deal, but if we can get him for one more year, that's probably a good gamble for us.

    Depending how we view Henderson, if he's back and able to close, I'm probably trying to sign one vet reliever, hopefully to a 2 yr $5 million per year or less deal, then fill in the rest of the pen with minor guys.


    I would probably be looking to trade one of our starting pitchers as well, probably Yo or Garza (assuming he has a nice second half and his contract looks decent at that point). My goal would be to acquire a young, either major league level or near major league level 3B or 1B for the pitcher.

    If we acquire a 1B, then I'm probably fairly set for the offseason. Wouldn't mind the salary dropping a hair to prepare for future increases for Braun and maybe upping Gomez beyond the next 2 years. Plus it gives us flexibility at the deadline.

    If we acquire a young 3B, have him either play some 1B if ready, or sit him in the minors and try another low level 1B signing to compete with Morris.
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    As for Henderson, I am not really a fan of his. Providing KRod keeps it up, i'd rather bring him back and keep him as closer until he breaks down.

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    I'd probably keep Gallardo for 13, assuming he has a good second half. I'd also look to restructure Arams deal and make it like 2 yrs 20 million with no options. For this season I'd really look hard at getting Justin Morneau, I think he could be had a reasonable price and has two years left on his contract at pretty reasonable rates. Then I'd find a reasonable reliever or two through fa and maybe a reliable 4th OF.
    1-Gennett
    2-Gomez
    3-Lucroy
    4-Braun
    5-Morneau
    6-Aram
    7-Davis
    8-Segura

    Lohse,Gallardo, Garza, Peralta,Nelson
    CL Henderson/FA, SU Smith, Thornberg, Kintzler, Fiers, whoever

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    I don't think Morneau can really be had at all that reasonable price. He does have two years left so I'm sure Colorado is in no hurry to trade him. Unless they are selling the whole team, and I mean Tulo and cargo too, then I don't see why they would trade Morneau for a reasonable deal. They just signed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    I don't think Morneau can really be had at all that reasonable price. He does have two years left so I'm sure Colorado is in no hurry to trade him. Unless they are selling the whole team, and I mean Tulo and cargo too, then I don't see why they would trade Morneau for a reasonable deal. They just signed him.
    Tulo did just give the Rockies the blessing to trade him if they wished. They could be on the verge of doing an Astros-like sellout

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    They could be, but I don't see it. Its probably a good idea on their part. Tulo would net you a ton of good, close to ready prospects. Although Cargo is injury prone, I bet someone would pay a decent amount for him (maybe the offseason would be a better time to move him. Give him the second half to recover his stock). Morneau could get you a nice return. You can keep Arenado, since I'm assuming they'd like to get back AAA type prospects, not A types. When the Astros busted everything up, they really didn't have anyone of value to trade. They basically had old vets like Carlos Lee on big contracts that weren't going to net you prospects. If the Rockies blew some things up, they could probably get some major league ready guys. Plus they have Jon Gray, who scouts are really high on.

    Regardless of whether or not that's the right move, I don't see it happening. I would think they still have a chance in the next year or two. They have some talent on that team, and if you can get a healthy year out of all of them, then have some nice, fill in pieces who overachieve a little, plus some improved pitching, with possible re-enforcements in Gray, they could be a candidate for a quick turnaround.

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    When I re-look at our options, I think things have become a little murkier with the team really struggling.

    I think Marco is now a DFA option. He's really been miserable, so I wouldn't think he'd command a huge raise, but I don't know that you want to pay that much for a long reliever/6th (or 7th depending on how they view Thorny) starter.

    I think K-Rod walks. With the money Broxton is due next year, I think he basically has to be the closer. KRod has been getting good results, but he's hardly been lights out lately anyhow. Broxton is probably the better option and is under contract. Henderson coming back gives us another arm with some late inning exp.

    I think Yo and ARam are going to be interesting decisions. Taking on Broxton may have murked up our spending money situation, so who knows what we do with them. I would think we bring back Yo and either trade him or another starter in hopes of getting some first base help. Unless Mark A is really worried about salary, I would probably bring back Rammy as well for one more year, since we don't have an obvious replacement, unless we think we can get someone comparable but younger and possibly more affordable in free agency.

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    I believe Aram and Yo will both be back. Yo pitched well for us this season - W/L record being somewhat misleading. Led the team in SO and ERA - no reason not to bring him back IMO. I want to say pitching wins championships, but even though our pitching has been pretty dominant our offense killed the season.

    Need another bat if Ramirez does come back - specifically 1B. Don't mind the platoon of Davis/Parra in LF. Braun plays RF pretty well and obviously Gomez entrenched in CF.

    Maybe it's time for Lucroy to go to 1B if Maldonaldo shows he can handle the pitching staff on a regular basis.

    Lots of question marks heading into next season, but I don't expect a major overhaul or even a major shakeup. At least not until Lohse and Garza's deals are almost expired. I think we're planning on making a run until those guys can't get it done anymore - then it may be time for the firesale and starting over.
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    I looked at some of our guy's contract details, and we have a 1 to maybe 2 year window in my mind. Assuming we pick up Yo and Rammy, we'll have Loshe, Yo, Rammy, and Broxton on one year deals and Gomez and Garza on two year deals. Of the one year guys, Yo is really the only one with much upside beyond that 1 year deal as the rest are aging. Gomez may be tough to retain after his deal expires, as he's been a top 10 player in baseball the last few years.

    For me and I think everyone, the most obvious improvement comes at first. I don't think we have any legit internal options (unless someone is moving positions but I think Lucroy is really valuable behind the plate). So we have to look externally. There might be a few somewhat affordable guys in FA if we're willing to spend, and maybe we look to trades as well. If we bring Yo back, we probably have 6 guys that deserve a spot in the starting rotation, with a young guy we really like in Thornburg waiting in the wings. So I'd be game to trade one of those guys to get a 1B or 3B if needed. My preference would be to trade Lohse or Garza.

    To me, I think a guy like Adam LaRoche could be a nice addition on a two year deal. He had an interview recently stating that he doesn't expect to be back with Washington, so he might be a nice option. He's not an elite hitter by any stretch of the imagination, but he brings a much needed left handed bat, who'll hit for some more average than our platoon this year while providing similar pop to Reynolds and a nice OBP. He's 34, so he's not young, but a nice veteran option I would think. Really when you adjust Morneau's numbers for that ballpark, LaRoche had a similar year to him and we wouldn't have to trade for LaRoche (unless Wash picks up his option).

    Another option when I think about getting creative is maybe a trade for Allen Craig. He's under contract for 3 more years at $5.5 mill, $9 mill and $11 mill, which isn't a great salary number, especially later (also has a $13 mill mutual option w/ $1 mill buyout). With the addition of Castillo, I don't think Craig fits at all in Boston's outfield. Napoli is their projected 1st baseman. 3rd is a question mark for them, but I'm not sure Craig would really be a good option there. Ortiz obviously has the DH spot locked down, so there's really not a lot of playing time for Craig in Boston. Its no guarantee they trade him, but that's a fairly expensive deal for a backup 1B, so maybe they'd be willing to move him. He was horrible this year, but was suffering from a foot injury, so maybe he's a bounce back candidate. I think he'd be a nice option to explore for 1B.

    Edit: Just looked at the list of 1st base free agents and it is pretty underwhelming. LaRoche, if bought out, seems to be the cream of the crop. Your next best option is 36 year old Michael Cuddyer who's going to be coming off a season of less than 200 at bats due to injury. His numbers in those 200 at bats were really good, but he is an injury and decline risk, plus his numbers are slightly inflated due to playing in Colorado. Another somewhat intriguing option would be Adam Lind,, but he does have an option this year that's likely to be exercised. If its not, he might be another left handed bat that is a bit intriguing, but he's not the most consistent player either with his own injury concerns as well. Overall not the most intriguing market out their for 1st base options.
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    i honestly thought the brewers were on their way to the post season, but then obv they dropped hoping they do things this off season and get back to the playoffs

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    If I were in charge, I would pick up Yo's option. Then trade a pitcher, Garza, Lohse, or Yo. I would try and get Lohse to sign an extension for a year or two and if he wants to much I look to get a 1B or 3B for him. Aram's option will be tricky I would pick it up but he might decline it from his end to get a multi year deal (Beltran got 3-45 last year). If he goes I would look to sign Cuddyer or Morse at 1st, Chase Headley or maybe JJ Hardy and move him or Segura to 3B (I don't think Jean can play 3B tho). Maybe sign a bench player or 2 someone like Emilio Bonifacio who can play 2B against lefties and be a decent 4th OF if Parra ends up costing to much in Arby.

    I do like the idea of trading for Allen Craig, but I would want a decent prospect with him for a guy like Lohse. Maybe Craig and Eduardo Rodriguez for Lohse. That would be ok if free agents cost a lot. Moving Braun to 1st is another decent option.
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    Interesting...I can't link it (insider) but Buster Olney throwing out a trade scenario of Khris Davis and Fiers for Josh Donaldson on the premise the A's want a power bat to replace Cespedes. He must have gotten wind of something from somebody on that because it seems too logical. Anyone else like this? I think it'd be a great deal for both sides. Donaldson has a 7-8 WAR in the majors and hit 30 bombs as an A..get him out of that dump known as the AL West and he might hit 40-45 in Miller Park.

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    I really like Donaldson but I doubt the A's do that unless they end up trading Smardijza or another starter. That would be a great trade, but it would be nice to have a better option in LF than Parra. I don't see him as more than a good 4th OF.

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    That trade doesn't really make sense for the A's.

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