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    The Media Created Free Agency Hysteria

    The words we have from them before this all started? That information doesn’t seem to matter right now, not when cracks and mystery can be perceived, and we can fill the holes where the nonexistent information would go with anonymous hypotheticals that are less boring and intriguing than the three players just returning to Miami as planned. Facts? On-the-record information? Ehhhh, whatever. Sports are just the soap operas males are comfortable admitting they watch. Cue the dramatic music, and let’s go out in search of the sexy and sinister, even if we don’t have proof.

    So it doesn’t matter that Heat owner Micky Arison put the chances of retaining the Big 3 at “100 percent.” Doesn't matter that Chris Bosh said publicly again and again that he’d play in Miami, and only Miami, for a discount. Doesn’t matter that they, you know, put their names on that. Doesn’t even matter that Dwyane Wade opted out of $42 million guaranteed dollars he wasn’t going to get elsewhere as confirmation that he’s working to help the team create flexibility, and Udonis Haslem again risked millions out of loyalty to Miami for the same reason.

    All that matters now is what LeBron James hasn’t said because that’s where we can invent the cracks — even if it means James would kind of be betraying the people who did these things with and for him, and won championships (plural) doing them with and for him before.
    Rest of the article: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/0...n-for-the.html

    Very good read. Its focused on the Miami coverage, but applies to all teams. The media seems to hold more weight than the actual player's and team's own words.

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    The Media Created Free Agency Hysteria

    The hype and hysteria makes sense though because players have been known to betray their fan base in recent years. Like it or not 2010 set a low water mark. Who believes anything a team or a free agent says any more?

    The solution is obvious. Stop giving a damn about free agent hype and start demanding better basketball. The Spurs proved you don't need big free agents to dominate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    The hype and hysteria makes sense though because players have been known to betray their fan base in recent years. Like it or not 2010 set a low water mark. Who believes anything a team or a free agent says any more?

    The solution is obvious. Stop giving a damn about free agent hype and start demanding better basketball. The Spurs proved you don't need big free agents to dominate.
    So, which is a more feasible situation for teams to duplicate:

    A) Make smart cap manuevers and attempt to sign quality free agents when available
    B) Hire a HOF Head coach AND get 3 all-stars to take anywhere from $3M-$8M below their market value.

    I think this is far more obvious

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    The hype and hysteria makes sense though because players have been known to betray their fan base in recent years. Like it or not 2010 set a low water mark. Who believes anything a team or a free agent says any more?

    The solution is obvious. Stop giving a damn about free agent hype and start demanding better basketball. The Spurs proved you don't need big free agents to dominate.
    So, which is a more feasible situation for teams to duplicate:

    A) Make smart cap manuevers and attempt to sign quality free agents when available
    B) Hire a HOF Head coach AND get 3 all-stars to take anywhere from $3M-$8M below their market value.

    I think this is far more obvious
    Neither actually.

    Point is we don't need to obsess about Melo or Lebron or any other sports figure. tbh I think a lot of the hype is driven by kids who are new to the sport and only know the stars' names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Neither actually.

    Point is we don't need to obsess about Melo or Lebron or any other sports figure. tbh I think a lot of the hype is driven by kids who are new to the sport and only know the stars' names.
    Well I don't know what league you've been watching, but this is a star's league where one player can easily have more impact than multiple players at the same combined salary. At the end of the day its all about cost:value ratio, and that even sometimes goes beyond the player's ability to improve your team, but also improve your market share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
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    Neither actually.

    Point is we don't need to obsess about Melo or Lebron or any other sports figure. tbh I think a lot of the hype is driven by kids who are new to the sport and only know the stars' names.
    Well I don't know what league you've been watching, but this is a star's league where one player can easily have more impact than multiple players at the same combined salary. At the end of the day its all about cost:value ratio, and that even sometimes goes beyond the player's ability to improve your team, but also improve your market share.
    If you say so.

    At least for one championship every few years for a decade and a half, the Spurs have proven that to be BS.

    But if you insist on buying into the NBA star gibberish, don't complain about the gossip and speculation that goes with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    If you say so.

    At least for one championship every few years for a decade and a half, the Spurs have proven that to be BS.

    But if you insist on buying into the NBA star gibberish, don't complain about the gossip and speculation that goes with it.
    What are you talking about? They have the best cost:value ratio. Duncan at $10M is probably a top 3 ratio in the league. How Manu played last season, and in the Finals also highly exceeds $7.5M value. As I said, I have no clue what league you've been watching.

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    Spurs pay their big-3 less than Kobe Bryant. Thats a pretty big advantage

    "It’s absolutely ludicrous” (to judge players based on whether they’ve won a title.)

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    no kidding

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    What are you talking about? They have the best cost:value ratio. Duncan at $10M is probably a top 3 ratio in the league. How Manu played last season, and in the Finals also highly exceeds $7.5M value. As I said, I have no clue what league you've been watching.
    While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    What are you talking about? They have the best cost:value ratio. Duncan at $10M is probably a top 3 ratio in the league. How Manu played last season, and in the Finals also highly exceeds $7.5M value.
    What's that got to do with the complaints about gossip and soap opera plot lines you started the thread with? You guys are so deep into this you can't stop talking about it even while complaining about it. lol.

    Just for once it would be great if people talked about the game. What do we get in this forum, maybe 5 threads a year that are actually about basketball? The rest of the time it's soap opera threads about Melo and Lebron and Wade or player comparison thread fighting over who is the frigging GOAT or why do people hate player X more than player Y.

    You started a promising thread about the soap opera we're enduring right now but feed the soap opera by buying into the soap opera thinking about money. It's like a film stars fight where people say how much they hate the paparazzi but at the same time want to see the candid and revealing photos of the stars.

    Let's talk basketball, not gossip about money.

    To address your point about cost: value, I guess you could see the world that way but you'd be missing out on the fact that money is secondary to the players in a winning culture like the Spurs have. They're not prioritizing money like other teams and their fans are, they're prioritizing getting better, solidifying their team, improving through mistakes rather than buying their way out of them. Not seeing that is missing the entire point of their organization's success. They beat the Heat by NOT playing their buy-a-team game. It can be done and it's better basketball. I don't want to turn this into a Spurs thread, just answering your point about cost: value. People probably gossip about that crap because it's harder to talk about the actual game.

    Again, don't complain about soap operas and gossip if you're feeding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scissors View Post
    While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.
    Aristotle — 'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by scissors View Post
    While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.
    While that may be true, it makes no point in regards to the derailed topic that ink is trying to start here.

    Duncan was a free agent, signed for way less than the value he could get elsewhere. Manu was a free agent and although he was coming off an injury season, signed for less than his current value. If every team could get their players to sign for below their value, we might not even need the "free agency" hysteria to begin with. Teams would build through the draft and never overpay,and then you could have Westbrook, Durant, Harden, and Jeff Green all on the same team and never hit the luxury tax ever. So

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    While some of their reports are true regarding rumors and speculation, the purpose of the media is to keep us interested.

    If Free Agency is dull and boring with no "leaks or rumors", none of us would pay any attention. The media does its job well of keeping interest in whats going on with teams in the off-season and free agency, and I am sure that many stories are made up just to garner views, likes and publicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scissors View Post
    While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.
    While that may be true, it makes no point in regards to the derailed topic that ink is trying to start here.

    Duncan was a free agent, signed for way less than the value he could get elsewhere. Manu was a free agent and although he was coming off an injury season, signed for less than his current value. If every team could get their players to sign for below their value, we might not even need the "free agency" hysteria to begin with. Teams would build through the draft and never overpay,and then you could have Westbrook, Durant, Harden, and Jeff Green all on the same team and never hit the luxury tax ever. So
    Read the article you just posted. It's mocking the media-fueled FA soap opera, rumour and gossip. That's the NBA you seem to support so why complain about it? The gossip goes with the shallow star-based territory.
    Last edited by ink; 07-06-2014 at 03:25 PM.

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