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    TOR/OAK replay challange results in game being played under protest


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    That was an interesting situation. This seems to be a pretty rare occurrence, but it's something the MLB should probably address. Just one of the kinks that needs to be worked out in the replay system. I don't think the way it ended up was very fair, but fortunately it didn't change the outcome of the game.

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    It's almost like they never thought of this situation occurring.

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    The call was right, how hard is that to figure out?

    Tag the runner means no more force at home; Catcher was not paying attention.

    Done and done; umps got it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceHawk-181 View Post
    The call was right, how hard is that to figure out?

    Tag the runner means no more force at home; Catcher was not paying attention.

    Done and done; umps got it right.
    The problem was that the umps got it wrong. The catcher did pay attention. Kawasaki was called safe so the catcher had a force out. Then the replay showed that he was clearly tagged out and that made the force play at home invalid. It was just a strange play. I think they made the only call they could, but the umpire who missed the call really screwed up. It was a pretty obvious tag.
    As a Jays fan I was just hoping we could win without that one run being a big issue. Unfortuneately that didn't work out either.

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    a couple thoughts

    1) if the correct call had been made originally, then the catcher would have been able to see that it was not a force out but would require a tag. but the correct call was not made, and therefore the catcher, who can only go based on what the umpires are telling him, made the play in accordance with what was going on in the field.

    2) in football, is a play is called dead, then everything that happens after that point is null and void. because everyone on the field stops playing, so therefore anything that happens after that point when the play is called dead can not fairly be made to stand. a similar thing should have been applied to this replay. because, ok, sure, they did get the wrong call on the tag, but you can not make Oakland pay for the umpires mistake

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    TOR/OAK replay challange results in game being played under protest

    Yeah you can't have an ump screw up only to cost a team a run on a play where live he was out. If anything he should have to go back to third.

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    What would have been really interesting would be if the jays exploded for like 7more runs in that inning. Say jays win 8-3 (all their runs come in that inning). The A's protest and although they lost by more than one run, realistically the jays shouldn't have had that opportunity in that inning and therefore the game still needs to be replayed from that point In the game should they win the protest (of course the offensive outburst would hurt their chances at winning but you catch my drift)

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    I think we should have to play the game over, clearly wasn't fair!

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    Yeah, not sure how the ump missed the tag play, as basically everyone watching could see it, the 1B acted as though he got it, and the catcher had a direct line of sight to said play.

    Catcher messed up; when in doubt tag the runner.
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    Why the catcher didn't tag the runner out is beyond me.
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    It didn't even matter in the end.

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