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    Knicks may revisit Shumpert deal with OKC

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    he knicks and oklahoma city could be linked by more than derek fisher’s coaching future.
    As fisher mulls his next career step, the thunder are looking at trading at least one of their late first-round picks, and knicks president phil jackson said he’s looking to obtain a pick for either round of the nba draft. The post reported at february’s trade deadline oklahoma city made an offer for iman shumpert, but the knicks passed. Espn.com reported the thunder offered their 29th pick.

    That was before jackson came aboard, and talks surely will be staged between the two clubs. The nets are also trying to obtain a late first-round or second-round pick, according to general manager billy king.

    Oklahoma city has the 21st and 29th picks. The 29th pick is considered to have the least bang for the buck, as it comes with a two-year guarantee at a set rate, as opposed to a player picked a few slots later, in the second round, who doesn’t receive guaranteed money.
    The knicks don’t want to clog up their 2015 cap space unless they are sure they’ll draft a can’t-miss rotation player. The 29th pick is slated to make $959,000 in 2015-16, which is modest for a top rotation player. The 21st pick would make $1.2 million.

    “we have to figure out a way to find value in the draft,’’ oklahoma city general manager sam presti said thursday on oklahoma radio station 98.1 fm. “that could be moving off the picks entirely, combining them to move around, could be standing and selecting. I will say this draft is going to be pretty good. At the same time, when you draft a player, you also want to make sure there’s a relative pathway for them to have success and play.’’

    the knicks were set to trade shumpert and raymond felton to the clippers in a better offer than oklahoma city’s, for darren collison and matt barnes, but the deal fell through when shumpert injured his knee on the eve of the trade deadline. Collison will be a free agent.
    Jackson is said to like shumpert’s defensive prowess and height, but his offensive basketball iq isn’t sky-high, and shumpert is not a very good passer — two attributes needed in jackson’s triangle offense.

    The knicks, a source confirmed, are expected to work out draft prospect p.j. Hairston, a 6-foot-5 shooting guard who was dismissed from north carolina and played in the d-league last season. He’s projected in the 21-to-29 range.
    Oklahoma city could also help the knicks in free agency, as thunder guards thabo sefolosha and caron butler are free agents. A lengthy defender, the 6-foot-7 sefolosha had been the thunder’s starting shooting guard for the last few years before losing his 3-point marksmanship and falling out of favor with coach scott brooks. The defensive specialist was benched for much of the playoffs.

    During breakup day, sefolosha said he had “no clue’’ if he’d be back. He’s known to love fisher, who could be named the knicks head coach as soon as next week. The knicks have their $3.5 million mini-midlevel exception to spend, plus the veteran’s minimum. Their preference in free agency is at point guard (steve blake, patty mills), but sefolosha and butler could fit at the right price.

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    I'm torn about Shump for #21.

    Shump I think can be a good piece on a contending team, and is one of our few defensive players.

    but he's also horrible on offense, not really bright or a good passer, hasn't really gotten better, and he's due about $4m in 2015.

    So at the end of the day I'd do it, save $3m in cap space and get someone under control for 4 years.

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    I'm torn because I really like Shumpert. However it's probably the best move to make. There are other players we could get who can do exactly what Shumpert does that have a better offensive game. I'd personally like to just buy a pick. Or give them J.R for 21 doubt they would do that.

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    I would honestly wait till the trade deadline to move shump if he doesn't improve a whole lot. His value is low now.
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    Torn

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    Do it.

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    No sense in trading low. If guy you really want is there at the draft spot you consider it, but I don't see the point of trading IMAN for just who ever ends up at the 29th pick. I think we could get more if we make IMAN part of a package deal.
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    neither of those picks historically have become even role players.....just pass.

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    that would be a dumb trade unless they take back feltdown or we get Jackson shump for the 21 pick is ********



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    Another sports reporter just talking and saying nothing substantive ...

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    Can we really get someone at 29th that will have a bigger impact than Shumpert next season.

    Shump's been in the league for equivalent of 1.5 years... he's an excellent defender whose offense needs work, but that's the easiest part of the game to improve on. I'd like to see how Shump gets used as shooter/slasher on the weakside of the triangle.

    If Shump can't succeed under Phil, then move him, but not on draft day, please. I really like a Shump/THJR guard rotation of the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGeer091 View Post
    I'm torn because I really like Shumpert. However it's probably the best move to make. There are other players we could get who can do exactly what Shumpert does that have a better offensive game. I'd personally like to just buy a pick. Or give them J.R for 21 doubt they would do that.
    Really? How many?
    The value of elite scoring ability, by Phil Jackson:

    "This is a guy, we recognize his talent, and his skill is the kind of skill and talent that gets you through playoff games where things get sticky, grind-out, and basketball becomes a force game and suddenly you need to have a player who has the capabilities of scoring with someone hanging on them in a situation that’s critical. He’s one of those players, one of the few players who can do that.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    Really? How many?
    Apparently less then I originally thought. None of them have the upside Shumpert does. I guess I should have made my stance clearer. I do not want to trade Shumpert. If we were to grab a player(Battier, Butler, Jones, etc) who has a similar game to Shumpert then moving him wouldn't hurt as much. We do need to get some picks somehow though.

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    Throw me in the torn category.

    Always been a Shump fan, but obtaining a first rounder is a good move for the future...


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    Trading him won't do us any good... Unless we get the 21st pick which I doubt happens

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