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Thread: Grade our Draft

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    Grade our Draft

    Simple. Give it a grade.

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    I say B- I would have liked to trade down if we had to get James. I feel as if we would have been better off with Dix or Cooks and then Moses at 50


    Oh and bleacher report has us 32 in the power rankings post draft lol

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    I hate grading a draft before any of the players have even been in an NFL practice.

    By needs I would give the draft an A-. Went in the draft wanting atleast two linemen (James and Turner, check) LB (Tapp, check), DB (Atkins, check), complete TE (Lynch, semi-check), Impact player (Landry, check)

    By value I would have to give it a C-. James was a big reach and could have netted another top 100 player in a trade down. Turner and Landry both went a tad higher than expected but nothing bad and fine with both picks. Getting Atkins and Tapp late helped but both are small school guys and they always tend to slide some. Small school guys have a higher bust rate as well so it hurts the value.

    So would put the draft as a whole in the C+/B- range. True grades don't happen to mid season at the earliest. Need to see him play.

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    Short Version: B-
    Filled needs, but I never agreed with not filling at least one more OL spot in FA before the draft. Reached a bit for JaWuan & Billy, didn't trade when we could've. Conviction for JaWuan over comparable RTs may not be justified, only have one possible stud (Landry), Aikens/Lynch/Tripp seem promising, 6th/7th guys don't seem likely to stick.


    Long Version: It first depends on Tannehill vs. Manziel/Bridgewater

    If Tannehill develops..........Grade = B+...........for solidifying the OL/WR/TE around him and believing in his talent.

    If Tannehill remains mediocre.........AND Manziel or Bridgewater turn out to be franchise guys...........then.....................Grade = D+..........for failing to look out for the best long term interests of the franchise and failing to assess QB talent correctly.

    If Tannehill remains mediocre...........AND Manziel and Bridgewater turn out to be mediocre too (or busts)..........then grade comes in at about a C+/B- for at least trying to give Tannehill a chance but missing out on BPAs just b/c they didn't help QB or fill OL holes.


    Secondly......it depends on JaWuan James vs. Kouandjio/Moses/Bitonio.........i.e.) was Hickey justified in not risking the trade down and landing any of these other guys while adding an extra 3rd round pick

    And.......to a lesser extent........Billy Turner vs. Marcus Martin or Gabe Jackson (scheme fit be damned b/c scheme can change with HC change).

    Simple enough?
    Last edited by Sparky; 05-12-2014 at 07:00 PM.

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    I gave it a B-

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    Quote Originally Posted by oconn444 View Post
    I say B- I would have liked to trade down if we had to get James. I feel as if we would have been better off with Dix or Cooks and then Moses at 50


    Oh and bleacher report has us 32 in the power rankings post draft lol
    Yeah, after the draft, we are the worst team in football...WTF!? I saw that first page and closed it...not even worth pretending to read any further. We got guys with insane upside and tons of room for growth (low-mileage guys that showed a tendency to rise to their level of competition when put up against "better players"). There is not a guy outside of the first two picks that aren't going to come in and try to prove that they belong here; none of them will think for a moment that they don't have to EARN their spot...whereas players from big schools "believe the hype" so to speak. Personally, I LOVE most of the players that we drafted..and the ones that I don't like as much, I still love their potential upside. I believe that a solid B to B+ is what we ended up with (though of course it's all theoretical until they play and begin to develop). Personally, I was impressed by this draft and our picks (and the whole philosophy as a whole).
    Thanks again Phins1983!!!

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    Hard to believe anyone would have Jacksonville ranked higher than Miami.

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    Bleacher Report's reputation aside, those are legit concerns.

    Albert is a huge upgrade over Martin/McKinney. No question about that.

    But James/Turner/Smith may or may not be an upgrade over Clabo/Incognito/Jerry. I think they will be, but it's not automatic.

    And if Earl Mitchell and Finnegan/Taylor are a downgrade from Soliai and Patterson/Carroll, then we could have trouble on D.

    Otherwise we have a modest upgrade at RB with Moreno and at WR with Landry. But we're pretty much a wash at TE and maybe not much better at LB (although I'm hopeful for Tripp).

    Maybe Bleacher is most worried that if things turn south, Philbin can't provide the leadership to keep things together Idk but it's a legit concern after the way Philbin closed out last season.
    Last edited by Sparky; 05-13-2014 at 12:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Bleacher Report's reputation aside, those are legit concerns.

    Albert is a huge upgrade over Martin/McKinney. No question about that.

    But James/Turner/Smith may or may not be an upgrade over Clabo/Incognito/Jerry. I think they will be, but it's not automatic.

    And if Earl Mitchell and Finnegan/Taylor are a downgrade from Soliai and Patterson/Carroll, then we could have trouble on D.

    Otherwise we have a modest upgrade at RB with Moreno and at WR with Landry. But we're pretty much a wash at TE and maybe not much better at LB (although I'm hopeful for Tripp).

    Maybe Bleacher is most worried that if things turn south, Philbin can't provide the leadership to keep things together Idk but it's a legit concern after the way Philbin closed out last season.
    How anyone can rate JAX with a offense that has Henne/Bortles starting handing the ball off to Gerhart and throwing the ball to Ace Sanders and Cecil Shorts can compete against the Fins is amusing. Don't get me started on the Raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plague View Post
    How anyone can rate JAX with a offense that has Henne/Bortles starting handing the ball off to Gerhart and throwing the ball to Ace Sanders and Cecil Shorts can compete against the Fins is amusing. Don't get me started on the Raiders.
    Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson too though. And maybe that idiot Blackmon does play some games this year. They also got some value picks with Telvin Smith and Storm Johnson late.

    I don't personally think they'll be better than us........but just playing devil's advocate.........there's some people who think Tannehill and Henne are about a wash.........and they may like Bortles prospects better than Tannehill's.

    I also agree that OAK and some other teams without QBs.....TEN, HOU........aren't going anywhere either. HOU should've traded up for Bridgewater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plague View Post
    How anyone can rate JAX with a offense that has Henne/Bortles starting handing the ball off to Gerhart and throwing the ball to Ace Sanders and Cecil Shorts can compete against the Fins is amusing. Don't get me started on the Raiders.
    Exactly. Of course there are no givens; anything can happen (anyone can get hurt) and things can go South in a hurry. Not to mention bad teams with a great off season can be contenders. Still though, I believe that we are top to bottom better this year (especially on offense) and we should shut up a lot of critics this year. It's hard to be motivated when you are the laughing stock of the league...when every morning you wake up to some new headline about how incompetent your team is. The media hurt this team more last year than any internal issues. Just like last year, I think we are the 2nd best team in this division and have a fighting chance at the playoffs. A solid line and good play calling will be the difference in this season over last.
    Thanks again Phins1983!!!

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    People put too much into draft picks. Most draft picks don't see the field their rookie season and play primarily special teams. I recall WR not excelling until their 3rd season.

    Miami fixed their offense to a point that it's not the worst in the NFL. There's no aging OL they need to be concerned with, the distractions have almost all gone away or have been addressed.

    The biggest and most important concern for Miami is the progression of Tannehill!

    U don't win in this league without good QB play. Simple. As. That. Miami has given Tannehill better protection for 2014, improved RB core, and seasoned WR/TE. The excuses are not there anymore. Defense is a top 12 in NFL with a top 5 pass rush.

    Expectations for Tannehill ...

    4,500 yds passing
    30 + TD's
    Under 18 INT & Fumbles
    Tannehill MUST establish himself as the leader of this offense.

    All four are attainable.
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    My feeling Is that the first 3 guys we targetted were the exact guys we were targeting, and we got them where we wanted them, which is extremely hard to do. After the season most people here agreed oline was our biggest need, and WR/ TE was our second.

    With the amount of small school guys we drafted it's also pretty clear they did there homework scouting. I dont really do the grade thing, but I'll say this is at least average or above. The small school picks is where IMO this draft will be defined.


    Canelo with the nice 7 punch combination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas_Phin1 View Post
    Exactly. Of course there are no givens; anything can happen (anyone can get hurt) and things can go South in a hurry. Not to mention bad teams with a great off season can be contenders. Still though, I believe that we are top to bottom better this year (especially on offense) and we should shut up a lot of critics this year. It's hard to be motivated when you are the laughing stock of the league...when every morning you wake up to some new headline about how incompetent your team is. The media hurt this team more last year than any internal issues. Just like last year, I think we are the 2nd best team in this division and have a fighting chance at the playoffs. A solid line and good play calling will be the difference in this season over last.
    Can't blame the media for that. Media just ran with the bullygate story b/c it was the juicy story people wanted to hear about. But the FAULT was all on Ireland and Philbin. On Ireland for drafting a mentally weak nut job and on Philbin for not recognizing that he had a loose cannon on his team.........despite suicidal warnings.........and not keeping a closer eye on what was going on. Philbin also knew how crazy Ritchie was......knew about his history and even the harassing of the girl at the team golf function........and still let Ritchie become captain and BFFs with his mentally unstable LT.

    Can't blame the media for Ireland and Philbin failing at their jobs.

    Look at it another way........why was STL able to draft Michael Sam? B/c they know none of the players will screw with him b/c they fear Jeff Fisher.

    As opposed to our team where there's such little respect/fear of Philbin, that Pouncey STILL makes hazing jokes.


    (Sorry off topic OP.)
    Last edited by Sparky; 05-13-2014 at 02:36 PM.

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    I gave it an A simply because we turned our weak OL into a strength in one offseason as well as upgraded every position on offense outside of OL to help Tannehill. Landry/Hazel/Lynch in the draft and Moreno in Free Agency. Landry + Hazel I think will both stick and Landry is better than Amaro by a mile

    rounds 1-3 we nailed perfectly. afterwards we got guys (outside of Lynch) with pretty good upside and athleticism. leaders with little if any red flags
    Last edited by tunnicliffderek; 05-13-2014 at 08:36 PM.
    Take Notes Rook

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