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  1. #1801
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    Quote Originally Posted by SfgiantsJD3 View Post
    Trade him and Pence to Boston for Bradley and agree to pay some part of Pablo's salary next year and the year after to offset what they pay Pence this year.
    And you know, it didn't take the Sox long to figure it out either. On the hook for the money but get rid of the guy. But, we tried and tried with him.

  2. #1802
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lincecum4CY View Post
    Cant tell if youre kidding or not. Hope you are


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    Just trying to think of a way of dumping salary (Pence) for a controlled CF without paying Pence's salary.
    Its just a way of sending Boston future money for taking Pence now. the key is reduce salary this year

  3. #1803
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    Quote Originally Posted by SfgiantsJD3 View Post
    Just trying to think of a way of dumping salary (Pence) for a controlled CF without paying Pence's salary.
    Its just a way of sending Boston future money for taking Pence now. the key is reduce salary this year
    We can't just dump Pence though. He has 10-5 rights and has to ok the trade.

    Bradley would command quality players in response rather than just a salary dump.

  4. #1804
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    Marty Lurie posed the following idea. I decided to read the replies to see what debauchery ensued. I wasn’t disappointed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush View Post
    Marty Lurie posed the following idea. I decided to read the replies to see what debauchery ensued. I wasn’t disappointed.

    Some poorly thought out responses mixed with s few good ones.

  6. #1806
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    I'll just leave this here...


  7. #1807
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    I saw that. Wonder what it means?

  8. #1808
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    Retiring his number on 8/11/18 it appears.

    "there's no scraps in my scrapbook"

  9. #1809
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush View Post
    I'll just leave this here...

    At first thought he was making a comeback haha


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  10. #1810
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    Bonds/Pence platoon!

  11. #1811
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    Couple reasons to like this. First of all because Bonds deserves it as one of the all time greatest Giants. Second (though probably not intentional) is that it's sort of a big 4-Q to the HOF, that if you don't see fit to honor him as one of the greats, we'll do it ourselves!
    "They throw the ball, I hit it. They hit the ball, I catch it." - Willie Mays

  12. #1812
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    A nice write up on Belt and his plate discipline.

    Despite a scary history of concussions -- he suffered his latest Aug. 4 and missed the rest of 2017 -- Belt has generated a 129 Weighted Runs Created-plus (wRC+) at the plate going back to his first full season in '12. That ranks 27th out of more than 200 players with at least 2,000 plate appearances during that time, giving Belt credit for his ability to get on base and slug in the power-suppressing environment of San Francisco. (He has nearly twice as many homers on the road in his career.)

    There is one important way in which Belt truly stands above the crowd as a hitter, and it helps explain his success over the years.

    A player ideally will lay off bad pitches and swing aggressively at good pitches. Doing one against big league pitching is tough enough, but doing both at the same time is a truly difficult task. This is where Belt excels.
    Therefore, one way to measure a hitter's selectivity is to calculate the difference between his swing rate on "good" pitches and his swing rate on "bad" pitches. It's rough, but it provides a reasonable idea of who is patient when required and aggressive when warranted.

    Bringing things back to Belt, he has put himself in the top two in this metric every year since 2012, looking at players with a minimum of 200 pitches seen in both zones (a low bar that creates a sample of more than 350 hitters every season).

    Leaders in "good" -- "bad" swing rate
    Min. 200 pitches in both zones
    2012: 1. Belt 69.2%, 2. Carlos Quentin 68.4 %, 3. Chipper Jones 67.2%
    2013: 1. Dexter Fowler 71.3%, 2. Belt 69.2%, 3. Freddie Freeman 67.9%
    2014: 1. Belt 70.9%, 2. Miguel Montero 66.3%, 3. Freeman 65.9%
    2015: 1. Belt 73.0%, 2. Nick Hundley 67.4%, 3. Melvin Upton Jr. 66.6%
    2016: 1. Belt 70.6%, 2. Chris Iannetta 70.4%, 3. Montero 69.9%
    2017: 1. Jabari Blash 75.0%, 2. Belt 73.7%, 3. Joey Votto 72.3%

    To understand what a difference this type of selectivity makes, consider the 2017 case of Belt (119 wRC+) and Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias (71 wRC+). Last season, they swung at the same number of pitches in total (853), but while Belt ranked second in good-vs.-bad swing rate, Iglesias' 28.6 percent mark was easily the lowest among the 370 qualified players.

    Belt's swing rate on the bad pitches (9.7 percent) was more than three times lower than Iglesias', and his swing rate on the good pitches (83.4 percent) was more than 25 percentage points higher.
    Highest "good" -- "bad" swing rate, 2012-17
    Min. 2,000 pitches in both zones
    1. Belt: 71.0%
    2. Iannetta: 65.6%
    3. George Springer: 65.2%
    4. Freeman: 65.1%
    5. Fowler: 63.8%
    6. Votto: 63.7%
    6. Jed Lowrie: 63.7%
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    223. Kevin Pillar: 35.2%
    224. Martin Prado: 34.9%
    225. Iglesias: 28.5%
    https://www.mlb.com/news/giants-bran...gs/c-266005136

  13. #1813
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    Belt sucks ***

    "there's no scraps in my scrapbook"

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    Why I oughta!!

  15. #1815
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    I saw this yesterday. But you still get these folks that understand so little about the game telling people Belt is worthless, a bad contract. I love it when statistics tell a different story.

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