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    When (if) everyone is back, what's the line-up and who is out?

    When everyone is healthy, I'd go:

    XB - SS
    Sizemore - LF (or CF if JBJ gets day off). Gomes gets some starts and PH in other games.
    Pedey - 2B
    Ortiz - DH
    Napoli - 1B
    SV - RF (Nava gets games at RF (two a week?) and 1B)
    JBJ - starting CF
    WMB - 3B
    AJP - and Ross

    Gotta hava AJP/Ross and WMB at the bottom two slots due to low OBP. SV/Nava decent protection for Napoli, but also along with JBJ serves as a 2nd top two of the order for the AJP and WMB.

    JBJ isn't getting leadoff for some time, they are happy enough he stopped chasing pitches and stopped his long swing from ST. No further pressure/changes for now.

    When SV comes back: Carp to be dealt or put onto the DL (wink wink). Carp seems the type to be grateful just to be on a ML roster, or on the DL. Gomes won't go along with that. Roberts (more likely since he can't play SS) or Herrera dispatched when WMB back.

    If Sizemore tires/gets hurt or JBJ still tearing it up by May 25th then JBJ 2nd.

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    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Victorino
    Pedroia
    Bogaerts
    Ortiz
    Napoli
    Nava/Sizemore
    Middlebrooks
    AJ
    JBJ

    Farrell need to do something. We aren't scoring runs. Right now I put Xander into the #3 hole. He is hitting and getting walks.
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    When everyone is healthy hopefully Middlebrooks is out and Stanton is in. We need a thumper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Station 13 View Post
    Victorino
    Pedroia
    Bogaerts
    Ortiz
    Napoli
    Nava/Sizemore
    Middlebrooks
    AJ
    JBJ

    Farrell need to do something. We aren't scoring runs. Right now I put Xander into the #3 hole. He is hitting and getting walks.
    In 1010 career PA's SV is: .249/.317/.408 - no thanks. 6th is by far his best slot. 2nd is next best, but not that close.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Sox Fan View Post
    When everyone is healthy hopefully Middlebrooks is out and Stanton is in. We need a thumper.
    Oof! That is gonna cost, but, what else can we do short and mid term if we want to win? Trade depth in pitching and kids.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    In 1010 career PA's SV is: .249/.317/.408 - no thanks. 6th is by far his best slot. 2nd is next best, but not that close.
    If Victorino is that bad, then go with Bradley. He was groomed as the replacement lead off hitter.

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    Could we not just stroll out the same lineup as last season that was tops in baseball by simply replacing Ells with Grady and flipping Bogaerts with Nava/Gomes in the 6-7? Seems simple enough, and these guys are going to start hitting soon when the weather gets warmer. They are better than this obviously it's just a matter of time. The pitching has been great with the exception of the odd hiccup.

    1. Sizemore CF
    2. Victorino RF
    3. Pedroia 2B
    4. Ortiz DH
    5. Napoli 1B
    6. Bogaerts SS
    7. Nava/Gomes LF
    8. Pierzinsky C
    9. Middlebrooks 3B
    Last edited by Bo Sox Fan; 04-11-2014 at 01:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Sox Fan View Post
    Could we not just stroll out the same lineup as last season that was tops in baseball by simply replacing Ells with Grady and flipping Bogaerts with Nava/Gomes in the 6-7? Seems simple enough, and these guys are going to start hitting soon when the weather gets warmer. They are better than this obviously it's just a matter of time. The pitching has been great with the exception of the odd hiccup.

    1. Sizemore CF
    2. Victorino RF
    3. Pedroia 2B
    4. Ortiz DH
    5. Napoli 1B
    6. Bogaerts SS
    7. Nava/Gomes LF
    8. Pierzinsky C
    9. Middlebrooks 3B
    Seems good at first blush, but with 3 OF's that are for sure best in LF, and perhaps a 4th (Sizemore), and one breaking down RF, how can sending JBJ to the Minors or the bench be justified?

    I think SV is going to be in/out all year as well. Two guys that play 115 games on top makes for a lot of churning. If SV hits 6th his replacement (Nava or Gomes) fit well in 6, neither fits that well at 2nd.

    Also IMO no way we lead the Majors in runs this year, might be 4th in the AL at best.

    Ells >> JBJ/Sizemore
    SV > SV/Nava
    Pedroia < Pedroia
    Ortiz > Ortiz
    Napoli < Napoli
    XB > Drew/etc
    Nava/Gomes > Nava/Gomes
    Catchers - wash/bit better this year
    WMB < WMB

    I see at most 3 positions better than last year and one close to a wash.

    Also the D is worse: Drew >> XB; SV > SV; WMB > WMB (that extra weight is going to hurt his already crappy range, inflexibility/injuries will take care of the rest). At catcher and CF and probably LF if GS plays a lot are we better. On balance, still weaker, that's more unearned runs/longer innings.

    The pitching is going to have be the mainstay for us. Thankfully they are good enough to get us into September at any rate.
    Last edited by bagwell368; 04-11-2014 at 01:40 PM.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    1B- Napoli
    2B- Pedroia
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    LF- Sizemore
    CF- Bradley
    RF- Victorino
    CA- Pierzinski
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    Quote Originally Posted by todu82 View Post
    1B- Napoli
    2B- Pedroia
    SS- Bogaerts
    3B- Middlebrooks
    LF- Sizemore
    CF- Bradley
    RF- Victorino
    CA- Pierzinski
    DH- Ortiz
    Talk about sage and value added...


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    No thanks to trading Stanton, while Arb will be costly the fact he's not a FA until 2017 means the marlins will want a ton back.

    I think Boston May tade for him, I just see it being done (if they do) after next season. Price would be a bit smaller as far as specs go.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos_Sports4Life View Post
    No thanks to trading Stanton, while Arb will be costly the fact he's not a FA until 2017 means the marlins will want a ton back.

    I think Boston May tade for him, I just see it being done (if they do) after next season. Price would be a bit smaller as far as specs go.
    We have a ton of specs, also have SP's that are running towards the end of their deals and can be used as part of 3 ways to get young players over to Miami.

    What we don't have is real power in the system - and not many young players make it to FA anymore, so you end up with overpriced old guys. No thanks. We have more than enough to deal with them, still field a fine team, and let the next wave of specs fill in any temporary holes.

    Peavy (3 way deal), Middlebrooks (who they have said they want), Webster, Nava & Brentz (as a fill in until they have someone ready), and about any two young P they want except for Owens ought to do it.

    Theo and BC have been drafting heavily for P's, MI's, and C's - but not 1B and corner OF - time to translate one set of riches for another.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    So basically ranaudo,Webster, and Barnes along with peavey, WMB and Nava? No freaking thanks.

    Wipes out a lot of the pitching in the upper minors. These are all guys figured to be ready by late '14/'15.

    Lester will be a FA

    lackey is 35

    clay will be 30 next season and taking into consideration his injury history and build, hard to expect him too last too many more seasons.

    Doubront0will he ever put it all together and be a solid middle of the rotation guy? Im losing hope. Looking more and more like a back end of the rotation starter. ERA+ 89 since '12 and a career high of 161 IP.

    Rotation looks to have a ton of organizational depth right now, But that can change in a hurry.
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    What's a little concerning is the drafts since theo are not looking great, still early to judge but players in the lower minors are not really progressing as one would hope.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos_Sports4Life View Post
    So basically ranaudo,Webster, and Barnes along with peavey, WMB and Nava? No freaking thanks.

    Wipes out a lot of the pitching in the upper minors. These are all guys figured to be ready by late '14/'15.

    Lester will be a FA

    lackey is 35

    clay will be 30 next season and taking into consideration his injury history and build, hard to expect him too last too many more seasons.

    Doubront0will he ever put it all together and be a solid middle of the rotation guy? Im losing hope. Looking more and more like a back end of the rotation starter. ERA+ 89 since '12 and a career high of 161 IP.

    Rotation looks to have a ton of organizational depth right now, But that can change in a hurry.
    Lester is going to be a FA either way (think that money isn't going to be spent?). Lackey probably gets an extension to step him over his $500k year coming up. Buccholz seemed much more himself his last start, and Duobront had I believe I heard 14 quality starts in a row last year. You avoided mentioning Workman not to mention our number one gem as on deck.

    The deal would be something like WMB, Nava, Brentz, Webster, Peavy, and their pick of Ranaudo or Barnes.

    We don't lose XB, Cecchini, Betts, either catcher, or the the probable next two starters in line.

    You do get that we can't play all of these guys, right? You also get that we are starting to get some real impact from young guys coming up - the most since '07-'08 which allows us to use cash and specs to fill in holes - right?

    If you would take the time to study history please give a list of the 5 best SP's the Sox have developed since Clemens debuted - not a very impressive group - so all of a sudden we have 3 #1-2 SP and 4 #4-5 SP's in the Minors? Guess again.

    In a year and a half it will be hard to see any long term damage in the minors (and the flow of the guys that came up).

    If we had power hitting RHH corner OF on the field or within two years of MLB - fine no deal, but we don't. Ortiz is near the end. We don't have much power in the INF, in the corner OF it's pathetic. Guess we get to watch 1960's baseball again: sacs, pitching and D... if we just sit around waiting for the power in the system to make a dent. The other alternative is spend big bucks on post age 32 hitters - yum yum.
    Last edited by bagwell368; 04-13-2014 at 09:24 AM.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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