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    MLB working toward new PED deal, would increase suspensions; May be done by Sunday

    MLB working toward new PED deal, would increase suspensions http://t.co/9YbR1hzL9k via @cbssports

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    During the current CBA?

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    Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association are working toward increasing penalties for players caught using performance-enhancing drugs while also decreasing penalties for players testing positive unintentionally, the Associated Press reports.

    The AP report notes that now a first positive test would result in a 100-game suspension while a second would trigger a full-season suspension. A third test would then result in a lifetime ban, which was already the rule in place. At present, it's a 50-game suspension for a first offense, followed by a 100-game ban for a second offense.

    On the flip-side, players who test positive for inadvertant use would only be nailed with half a violation. It will be intersting to see how MLB and the MLBPA believes they can prove accidental use, but here are two examples provided by the Associated Press:

    Philadelphia infielder Freddy Galvis was suspended for 50 games in June 2012 for a Clostebol Metabolite, which he later claimed was contained in a foot cream he used. Reliever Guillermo Mota, then with San Francisco, was suspended for 100 games in May 2012 after taking a cough syrup with Clenbuterol.
    The current expectation is that MLB will have the new system in place before Sunday, when the Dodgers and Padres open the non-Australian part of the 2014 MLB regular season.

    So all they are doing is slightly extending the length of the suspension.

    I just don't think this is enough. But glad they feel they can prove accidental use, and you would get half the length.

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    Let's bust the cheaters..

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    I like that they made the punishments stricter but I think it should be a two strike policy and you're done. 1st offense a full season, second offense banned from baseball.

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    i agree

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    MLB's acceptance of HGH blood tests and this change are widely thought in part to be sought to put more pressure on the NFL, whose ineffective drug policy has been ignored by the media. The NFL's stance on its policy is clear; it is more about public relations than getting drugs out of the game. MLB has always taken the opposite stance, taking media blow after media blow and keeping "steroids" on the tongues of too many pundits and fans.
    Selig's push for stronger penalties was well known, but he was hardly alone. A source with knowledge of the negotiations told me on Tuesday that the players actually pushed for stiffer penalties. "[Players] suggested starting with a one-year suspension and maybe going away from three strikes," he explained. It seems the players weren't speaking idly last year during the Alex Rodriguez hearing. They were willing to get very strong with penalties, even acting against their own interest to some extent.
    On the MLB side, the longer penalties will give the owners an easy win, plus they could close the issue of valuation. Several players have been suspended and then been given large contracts, such as Jhonny Peralta this offseason.
    With a longer suspension that could carry over to the following season in many cases, there could be more inhibition. That remains to be seen. Several players have been given significant raises in the past, including Guillermo Mota, who was given a free-agent deal with his entire suspension ahead of him.Another major change in the policy is that MLB will use new types of testing. While I won't try to explain things like LC-MS/MS testing procedures, suffice it to say that new techniques make it more likely that MLB's testing program will detect HGH and other growth hormones, including MGF. Baseball is also making use of more advanced testing for testosterone and for peptides, which were a major part of the Biogenesis program.
    Blum and others also report significant alterations to how penalties are calculated, closing the loophole that Alex Rodriguez's attorneys found. That loophole, where pay is based on days rather than games, will give Rodriguez a $2.8 million paycheck this year despite the 162-game suspension handed down.
    So with all the give that the MLBPA gave in this negotiation, what did it get? First, it followed the instructions of the membership, which wanted stronger penalties. However, it did get a major give from MLB with a new procedure and penalty for what it is calling "inadvertant use."
    This is not the so-called "false positive." MLB has had cases where a player has used a product that was later found to be tainted. The cases of J.C. Romero and Guillermo Mota offer instances where a player has taken a supplement, tested positive and had a real defense.
    Romero, for his part, took the makers of the supplement to court. The case was settled, giving Romero some measure of his income lost during the suspension back. With the new rules, Romero may have been able to significantly reduce the suspension, down to a suggested 25 games.
    The reported new guideline for the arbitrator about "intent" is very interesting. This is the first major drug-testing agreement to go away from the standard of strict liability. Under all other rules, including that of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), this tenet of the code that makes an athlete liable for anything ingested has been sacrosanct. It appears that MLB is giving players the possibility to use unintentional use as an affirmative defense.
    The new agreement also is said to clarify how non-analytic positives will be handled. While the commissioner does retain "just cause" power, that will take a lot more than what MLB had in the bulk of the Biogenesis cases. While the details of this are not public yet, it will make arbitrary suspensions more difficult and more likely to be handed down by an arbitrator rather than the commissioner.
    The new JDA does not appear to have any changes for non-PED violations, such as stimulants or "street drugs." This would come as something of a surprise, but the penalties have never matched since amphetamines were added to the JDA in 2006.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...act-the-league

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    instant lifetime ban for anyone caught!
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    I'd be ok if they made it even harsher with a full year followed by a lifetime ban. This will have to do though.

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    Done

    MLB, MLBPA officially announce increased drug penalties -- 80 games (up from 50) for first offense, 162 games (up from 100) for second.
    https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/stat...42667215843328

    Player suspended for PEDs ineligible to participate in postseason and canít receive playoff share.
    https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/sta...42769880215552

    Every player suspended for PEDs will be subject to 6 additional urine tests and 3 additional blood tests for rest of career, all unannounced
    https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/st...43136403644416

    Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry will be randomly
    performed on at least 1 specimen from each player (attempt to find synthetic drugs)
    https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/sta...43517393244160

    Players can now prove at arbitration that ingestion of a PED was unintentional and receive less discpline.
    https://twitter.com/craigcalcaterra/...42816776310784

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    To the fans who are so very critical of Selig, whomever they may be and wherever they are...where are your protests for more stricter policies in the NFL, NBA, NHL, PGA, etc?
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe pride View Post
    instant lifetime ban for anyone caught!
    Because that's logical

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexicano31 View Post
    Because that's logical
    Logic has no place in a moral witch hunt.

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    Why 80? I know it's an even number, but if you're going to do 162 for the 2nd, 81 makes more sense since that would be half a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe pride View Post
    instant lifetime ban for anyone caught!
    Damn right!

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