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    Phoenix or OKC - Which franchise was cheaper in letting talent go?

    Phoenix or OKC - Which franchise would you blame more for being cheaper in letting talent go which harmed them in winning titles?

    Phoenix obviously with the Joe Johnson situation, and OKC with the James Harden situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JordansBulls:28090955
    Phoenix or OKC - Which franchise would you blame more for being cheaper in letting talent go which harmed them in winning titles?

    Phoenix obviously with the Joe Johnson situation, and OKC with the James Harden situation.
    OKC because Harden was actually worth the money. Phoenix was smart not to overpay for JJ.

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    Okc ruined a dynasty in the making
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    Phoenix or OKC - Which franchise was cheaper in letting talent go?

    Neither?

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    Neither. With Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka signed to huge deals, the Thunder simply had no profitable way of keeping Harden long term as well.

    The Suns meanwhile, had Jim Jackson and Raja Bell to replace Johnson, who at age 23-24, was going to get paid. In hindsight, it looks even better, because Johnson really never became what many thought he would.

    From basketball purposes, the Thunder lose this, only because they would easily be favored to win it all from last year through the next 3-4 years if they retained Harden.

    But financially, neither.

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    Neither. Okc let Harden go, got a capable fill in with Martin, had the best record in the West again. Harden was stuck in a 17ppg role with limited touches. Martin filled that role. Plus we got Lamb, Adams, and the best record in the NBA + didn't have to pay a cent of luxury tax.

    Adams is a beast and will be a 10/10 player on 55% fg and a few blocks per game. He has great hands, is tough as ****, plays big and has great finishing ability. He is also only 19 years old so as he matures, he could become a top center in the NBA.

    I think that haul, + preserving cap and not paying luxury tax + still having the best record in the West 2 years in a row shows that the trade was a win win for both sides.

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    Both.

    Phoenix has a history of selling off picks and talent for nothing and this was during their prime run of Nash-Amar'e when they were running off 55-60 win seasons. Any one correct move could have pushed them into an NBA finals. Inexcusable.

    OKC made a huge mistake selling off Harden when at the very least they could have kept him on the books for one more year and made another Finals run. Then used his rights to use a S&T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    Both.

    Phoenix has a history of selling off picks and talent for nothing and this was during their prime run of Nash-Amar'e when they were running off 55-60 win seasons. Any one correct move could have pushed them into an NBA finals. Inexcusable.

    OKC made a huge mistake selling off Harden when at the very least they could have kept him on the books for one more year and made another Finals run. Then used his rights to use a S&T.
    I can agree with both of these, I don't think the Joe Johnson loss was bad (but Sarver was always a cheapskate, selling away 1st rounders because he didn't want to take on salary), but the Thunder should have kept Harden one more year. That being said, would they have gotten the same package? Adams is for sure not there now in that instance.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Harden was under contract for like $5 million dollars, it's one of the worst trades ever.

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    Sarver was willing to pay Joe Johnson but Joe Johnson asked Sarver not to match Hawks offer cause he wanted to be "the man" on some team elsewhere.

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    Well PHX made a good call ditching JJ
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    Jimmer still being BLACK BALLED by the illuminati/homeboys...
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    If Jimmer were to be given free reign offensively, the team would basically quit on the organization out of jealousy and envy. The white man is the minority in this game and the black players will be damned if the white man shows him up at his own game. Similar situation happening with Kevin Love, the team has to surround him with foreigners and whites because black players won't succumb to the greatness that is Kevin Love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahH View Post
    Well PHX made a good call ditching JJ
    They made a good call ditching Amare too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunsfan88 View Post
    They made a good call ditching Amare too.
    Yup, all around smart organization
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    Jimmer still being BLACK BALLED by the illuminati/homeboys...
    Quote Originally Posted by freejimmer View Post
    If Jimmer were to be given free reign offensively, the team would basically quit on the organization out of jealousy and envy. The white man is the minority in this game and the black players will be damned if the white man shows him up at his own game. Similar situation happening with Kevin Love, the team has to surround him with foreigners and whites because black players won't succumb to the greatness that is Kevin Love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    Both.

    Phoenix has a history of selling off picks and talent for nothing and this was during their prime run of Nash-Amar'e when they were running off 55-60 win seasons. Any one correct move could have pushed them into an NBA finals. Inexcusable.

    OKC made a huge mistake selling off Harden when at the very least they could have kept him on the books for one more year and made another Finals run. Then used his rights to use a S&T.
    This. The Suns have traded guys like Luol Deng and Rondo for cash, straight up. They also drafted and traded Nate Robinson and Marcin Gortat in 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poleandreel View Post
    Neither. Okc let Harden go, got a capable fill in with Martin, had the best record in the West again. Harden was stuck in a 17ppg role with limited touches. Martin filled that role. Plus we got Lamb, Adams, and the best record in the NBA + didn't have to pay a cent of luxury tax.

    Adams is a beast and will be a 10/10 player on 55% fg and a few blocks per game. He has great hands, is tough as ****, plays big and has great finishing ability. He is also only 19 years old so as he matures, he could become a top center in the NBA.

    I think that haul, + preserving cap and not paying luxury tax + still having the best record in the West 2 years in a row shows that the trade was a win win for both sides.
    IF OKC NEVER GETS A RING BEFORE, any of those pieces are RE-TRADED... Then the deal was horrible for OKC; who is going to remember that they had the best record 5yrs from now (no one would even care).

    They cost themselves titles... They had a stack team.



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