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    Revisiting Welker/Patriots

    With the season all but over, what does everyone think of the Patriots passing up on Welker now?

    Most people were comparing Welker and Amendola this season. But it's clearly Edelman who took over for Welker, and he stole his job a bit in 2012, too.

    Welker:

    13 GP, 73 catches, 778 yards, 9 TDs, 10.7 avg

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    15 GP 96 catches, 991 yards, 6 TDs, 10.1 avg
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    Is the point of this to show that Edelman is better or equal?

    Eddelman isn't splitting receptions with the likes of D Thomas, J Thomas, and E Decker.
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    Well, the the Welker/Amendola argument is difficult to to honestly analyze. Both have been injured. Neither has played every game. In my view, the jury is still out. If anything neither player was worth the money.

    That said, nobody could have imagined Edelman performing like he did. The team signed him with escalators in his contract based on catches. The top escalator was 70 catches for $250,000. Generally, a top escalator is considered one the player is unlikely to reach. He is at 96 catches. I never expected him to reach 50 catches never mind 96 at week 15. It is likely he will go over 100 catches and 1000 yards next week. He may be the top value in the NFL!

    It shows the difference between, expectations of fans, teams (organizations) and players and how everyone gets it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Is the point of this to show that Edelman is better or equal?

    Eddelman isn't splitting receptions with the likes of D Thomas, J Thomas, and E Decker.
    Amendola, Thompkins, Dobson and Gronk dont count right?

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    Revisiting Welker/Patriots

    Welker would be having a monster season with the Pats


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    BTW, here are the stats on those players.

    I added Woodhead into the discussion because he was part of the decision at some level.

    Dollar for dollar, who are the better players?

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    Edelman: $765,000
    Welker: $4,150,000
    Amendola: $3,543,750
    Woodhead: $1,250,000

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    Rk                   Tm Age  G GS Rec Yds  Y/R TD Lng R/G  Y/G Fmb
    4    Julian Edelman NWE  27 15 10  96 991 10.3  6  44 6.4 66.1   5
    25       Wes Welker DEN  32 13 13  73 778 10.7 10  33 5.6 59.8   1
    33   Danny Woodhead SDG  28 15  1  69 563  8.2  6  39 4.6 37.5   2
    55   Danny Amendola NWE  28 11  6  53 624 11.8  2  57 4.8 56.7   0
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickyNick View Post
    Amendola, Thompkins, Dobson and Gronk dont count right?
    Yes, they are easily comparable to Denver's WR/TE. How could I be so wrong?

    The talent isn't even close outside of Gronk, who can't stay on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    Well, the the Welker/Amendola argument is difficult to to honestly analyze. Both have been injured. Neither has played every game. In my view, the jury is still out. If anything neither player was worth the money.

    That said, nobody could have imagined Edelman performing like he did. The team signed him with escalators in his contract based on catches. The top escalator was 70 catches for $250,000. Generally, a top escalator is considered one the player is unlikely to reach. He is at 96 catches. I never expected him to reach 50 catches never mind 96 at week 15. It is likely he will go over 100 catches and 1000 yards next week. He may be the top value in the NFL!

    It shows the difference between, expectations of fans, teams (organizations) and players and how everyone gets it wrong.
    I disagree. I'm sure there were plenty of fans who saw Edelman and thought he could replace Welker admirably. Myself included.


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    It goes both ways. Welker has to split targets with 3 other beasts, but on the other hand with 3 other beasts trying to get open, it frees up Welker putting him in a great position to succeed.

    Edelman will get some things forced his way as Tom has considerably less talent to work with, but opposing D's can try to focus and take him out of the game to force Tom to go elsewhere.

    Both fantastic players in their own right. It just gets weird trying to compare them with all of the other factors you have to consider.

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    Edelman: 970 snaps, 135 targets
    Welker: 787 snaps, 109 targets

    And Welker's the better run blocker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i am bob View Post
    I disagree. I'm sure there were plenty of fans who saw Edelman and thought he could replace Welker admirably. Myself included.
    Well, a very good guess indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickyNick View Post
    Amendola, Thompkins, Dobson and Gronk dont count right?
    Amendola, Thompkins and Dobson have a combined 121 catches. Gronk has started 6 games, but yes I would say the skill position help has been equal for Brady as for Manning

    I think there's something to be said for the fact that Manning has thrown 14 more TD passes than last year and Brady has thrown 10 less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentzias View Post
    Edelman: 970 snaps, 135 targets
    Welker: 787 snaps, 109 targets

    And Welker's the better run blocker.
    If we're going to list other factors:

    Some of those snaps were because he's played in 2 more games. So you could say that Edelman's been more durable this year. Of course IF Welker had played in 2 more games instead of missing them due to injury, his stats would be higher.
    Just curious because I have no idea, does PFF have Welker as the better run blocker? Just looking for some evidence

    Edelman is a much better punt returner

    And Edelman has the better contract
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    ...but yes I would say the skill position help has been equal for Brady as for Manning...
    You have lost your mind!

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    You can not tell me that Welker isn't a better receiver than Edelman. Regardless, even if you think this was a great move, they still messed up signing Amendola who has had a minimal impact and is on a pretty heavy contract. If they let Welker walk and signed a receiver more capable on the outside this would have easily been a big win by the Pats, but since they signed Amendola, it isn't.

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