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    New York Mets: David Wright Will Be a 2014 NL MVP Candidate

    New York Mets: David Wright Will Be a 2014 NL MVP Candidate
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/york-me...0002--mlb.html
    Yahoo Contributor Network By Matt Musico
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    COMMENTARY | After the New York Mets locked David Wright up to an eight-year, $138 million extension, the next phase of "the plan" was to put a team around him.

    Durability

    A strained hamstring limited Wright to 112 games played in 2013. It was the second time in three seasons he's played less than 120 games. Outside of those two occasions, he's been incredibly durable.

    Since his first full season in 2005, he's played in at least 144 games in a season seven times. To be considered for an MVP Award, it's crucial for players to stay healthy and put up numbers for a full year.

    Legitimate protection in the lineup

    It's been a few years since Wright has had legitimate lineup protection. Ike Davis was supposed to be providing that, but his inconsistency has made the spot behind Wright a revolving door.

    The acquisition of Granderson will force pitchers to challenge Wright more often. His on-base percentage over the last two seasons has shot up to the .390 range because he's been forced to keep the bat on his shoulder.

    With a proven power threat standing on deck while Wright is hitting, pitchers must choose to either challenge him, or take their chances with Granderson.

    2013 was one of his best statistical seasons

    The 2013 season was cut short due to injury, but advanced metrics show it was one of the best overall seasons of his career.

    His .904 OPS was the highest since he posted a .924 mark in 2008. His Isolated Power was .207 last season, the best since 2010. Wright created runs 55% more than the league average with a career-best 155 Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+).

    He's in the prime of his career where he can use the wisdom he's gained over his big league tenure and still has the physical ability to use that knowledge to play at a high level.

    The Mets are a different team without him

    While part of being an MVP is putting up great statistics, it's also about a player's value to his team. Mike Trout has put up crazy numbers over the past two seasons, but has lost to Miguel Cabrera both years in the AL MVP race.

    Why? Without Cabrera's performance, the Detroit Tigers wouldn't have made it to the postseason. The Los Angeles Angels were still a mediocre team, even with Trout's amazing contributions.

    Wright is the heart and soul of New York's lineup -- that's why Alderson locked him up to a long-term extension instead of Jose Reyes. Without his presence, the Amazins don't look nearly as intimidating.

    Improved team performance

    It's tough to justify a player being the most valuable in the league when he plays for an organization that put together a 74-88 record. The acquisitions made this winter have already improved the Mets dramatically on paper, and more changes are likely to come.

    When New York enjoyed one of its most successful stretches in franchise history from 2006 through 2008, Wright was in the middle of it all. He went to three All-Star games, won two Gold Gloves, two Silver Sluggers, and was in the top 10 of NL MVP voting each year.

    If the Mets have a successful season in 2014, Wright will likely be a big reason why, thrusting him into the MVP conversation


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    I thought lineup protection is one of those things that is based on myth, that a player will perform the same regardless of who is batting around him.

    What say anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I thought lineup protection is one of those things that is based on myth, that a player will perform the same regardless of who is batting around him.

    What say anyone?
    It is, unless you are Barry Lamar Bonds the pitcher will pitch you the same regardless of who is behind you. The incredibly seldom times that an intentional walk/pitching around a player comes into play does not effect the grand scheme of their full season numbers. These are professional athletes, not little league pitchers, they will pitch to their competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I thought lineup protection is one of those things that is based on myth, that a player will perform the same regardless of who is batting around him.

    What say anyone?
    We had this discussion a couple months ago. IMO, Certain types of hitters can benefit from lineup protection (free swingers mostly), but definitely not all. 10+ Years ago I think the effect was greater too. Teams have learned the damaging consequences of a walk and it's changed lineup protection.

    If Wright is to win the MVP, it'll be more important to get guys on base in front of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrightStuff82:27643917
    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I thought lineup protection is one of those things that is based on myth, that a player will perform the same regardless of who is batting around him.

    What say anyone?
    We had this discussion a couple months ago. IMO, Certain types of hitters can benefit from lineup, but definitely not all.

    If Wright is to win the MVP, it'll be more important to get guys on base in front of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I thought lineup protection is one of those things that is based on myth, that a player will perform the same regardless of who is batting around him.

    What say anyone?
    It doesn't make any sense that opposing pitchers would pitch in such a way that a hitter would perform better because there was a better hitter on deck. The opposite, in fact, makes sense.


    As for Wright being an MVP candidate?
    STEAMER projects him for 5.3 WAR, that's 4th best in the NL behind Posey, Tulowitzki and McCutchen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangers&MetsFTW View Post
    It is, unless you are Barry Lamar Bonds the pitcher will pitch you the same regardless of who is behind you. The incredibly seldom times that an intentional walk/pitching around a player comes into play does not effect the grand scheme of their full season numbers. These are professional athletes, not little league pitchers, they will pitch to their competition.
    This is a strategy thing, not a skill thing. How many IBBs are handed out every year? Some are to create a force at 2nd, some are to face the pitcher or #9 hitter and some and some are made just to let the next guy beat you instead. Sometimes you know the reliever is on his last batter, especially if there's a lefty specialist involved.

    David Wright is more likely to see garbage pitches if there's Lucas Duda or 1st half Ike behind him. The BB to DW is not as threatening when you know you DW can beat you and you have a good chance at striking the next guy out --- especially if there is nobody on base or if there are 2 outs. Hell if there is a lefty on the mound DW is a good candidate for the unintentional intentional walk -- throw him garbage see if he swings. Protection = fastballs for strikes, probably close to the way a dangerous base stealer = fewer breaking balls.

    can't call it an anomaly just because it can't be measured.

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    Wright's MVP candidacy is dependent on how the team improves around him as well. They won't give the MVP to a guy who has similar value to a player playing on a 90+ win team.

    I think McCutchen has a real chance at repeating next year because if projections are correct or thereabout in regards to Tulo and Posey then they won't be much competition as neither of their respective teams look any good. Although that's also on how the Mets improve like I said previously.

    Then again there is usually always a surprise or two in the MVP race when it comes to guys we don't expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    It doesn't make any sense that opposing pitchers would pitch in such a way that a hitter would perform better because there was a better hitter on deck. The opposite, in fact, makes sense.
    well I do agree with this, the guy won't necessarily perform BETTER but pitchers will come at them with a different approach. Maybe they have a higher OBP, lower avg, vice versa, etc. depends on the player. A guy like Ike last season swings at the junk, a guy like Jose Reyes swings at the junk and gets a single anyway, a guy like Vlad Guerrero golfs a ball out of the dirt and hits a home run. When Ike swings at fastballs hes good at putting them over the wall, other guys can't hit high heat and are better at pitch recognition and hitting mistakes. A lot of the time, good protection can affect the pitcher wasting pitches and throw fastballs late in the count. A lot of the time bad protection can lead to a guy like DW either taking a BB or chasing garbage trying to save the day.

    every hitter is different but protection is a real variable in the pitch by pitch.

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    Why is it important to have guys in base in front of Wright? I thought RBIs are meaningless. Are they important again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomota View Post
    Why is it important to have guys in base in front of Wright? I thought RBIs are meaningless. Are they important again?
    Not with a lot MVP voters. There are guys who are new school but a vast majority I would have to say are still of the more traditional thinking.

    2012 was a good example of that. Trout was far and away the best player in baseball that year but Cabrera won the MVP because his team made the playoffs and he won the triple crown, which is a tad bit ironic because the Angels won more games that year in a harder division and had the better player in Trout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Not with a lot MVP voters. There are guys who are new school but a vast majority I would have to say are still of the more traditional thinking.

    2012 was a good example of that. Trout was far and away the best player in baseball that year but Cabrera won the MVP because his team made the playoffs and he won the triple crown, which is a tad bit ironic because the Angels won more games that year in a harder division and had the better player in Trout.
    Pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomota View Post
    Why is it important to have guys in base in front of Wright? I thought RBIs are meaningless. Are they important again?
    Thank you for restoring my faith in this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomota View Post
    Why is it important to have guys in base in front of Wright? I thought RBIs are meaningless. Are they important again?
    Because the majority of the people who vote on the MVP are totally inept and clueless about baseball and that's what they base their votes on.

    Stuff the Triple Crown in your sock. Mike Trout was FAR AND AWAY the best, most valuable player in baseball in 2012 AND 2013 and he got robbed both years. The award is a joke because you need to accumulate the most garbage/joke stats to win it. Hands down the best player in baseball and the old know-nothings in the media are in the dark totally clueless. Angels games too late on the east coast for their 8pm Bedtime.
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    David Wright still needs shortstop


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