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    Tresticle

    Year one of the Marc Trestman regime has had some ups and downs, something that most NFL people expected. He inherited an aging defense and an offense that has been near the bottom of the league for a number of years. Even though they went 10-6 in 2012, there was enough turnover expected on the team, from coaches and players, that success in 2013 was uncertain.

    He's made decisions this season that some have lauded, and others that left many heads scratched.

    No coach hits on all his decisions, much like no GM hits on all his draft picks. A GM has a philosophy he uses to guide his drafting. Some are the height, weight, speed, combine type drafters, others focus on their work between the lines, some shy away from the red flag players, while others draft best player available regardless.

    But I think we all see variations in patterns from GMs. No one is 100% stubborn in their philosophy.

    As recently as 2012, the Bears went with an athletic tweener type player in the first round that had good combine numbers, then moved up in the 2nd to draft a player that fell, partly because of work ethic questions. One is still a work in progress leaning towards bust, and the other is fast becoming a dangerous Pro Bowl level play maker.

    In 2013 the Bears trusted their draft board and plucked an inexperienced guard that tested athletically through the roof, then grabbed an experienced football player, not known for his athleticism, in the 5th round. Both are currently starting on their offensive line.

    I think a GM that isn't flexible is setting himself up for failure.

    Trusting numbers is one thing, but sometimes trusting your gut proves to be the correct call.

    The same can be applied to coaching.

    Chicago general manager Phil Emery hired a head coach with no prior NFL head coaching experience, but Trestman's attention to detail and his like-minded analytical approach to football intrigued Emery. After numerous interviews, Emery had no other option but to hire his kindred spirit.

    Both are longtime football guys that have embraced sabermetrics.

    Emery has spoken about the Moneyball aspect of football since he first stepped to a podium at Halas Hall. Oh sure he has roots in old fashioned scouting, but he's also referenced the metrics of sites like Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders.

    Emery and Trestman are very much alike.

    For much of the season, it seemed as though Trestman was a head coach that poured over stats and figures, meticulously looking for an angle. He's quoted percentages and given 500 plus word explanations for his decisions. So when he says he went with his gut on a decision, even though the "numbers" show his decision to be flawed, he's criticized for not sticking to his modus operandi.

    Do we really want a coach that sticks to one philosophy?

    Do we want a sabermetric coach, or a guy that goes with his gut?

    Why can't we have both?

    The odds say going for it on 4th down is usually the best way to go. There have been studies done that show punting is an outdated concept. The odds say a 6-6 team is a long shot to make the playoffs.

    Yet NFL teams usually punt in punting situations, and they rarely go for it on 4th down.

    The 2011 New York Giants were 6-6 after 12 games, and went on to win the Super Bowl.

    Sometimes the unexpected happens.

    Sometimes going against the grain proves to be the correct call.

    Trestman's initial hire was met with trepidation by many Chicago Bears fans. The uneasiness quickly turned into optimism, but that optimism has started to fade, and now he's being called the Lovie Smith of offensive football.

    I've seen Trestman called someone that would be better off as a coordinator only. I've seen it speculated that his head coaching tenure will be cursed with an inability to find a quality coach to run the defensive side of the ball, much like Lovie struggled with finding an offensive mind to work with.

    Is that fair?

    After only 12 games?

    Even the staunchest Marc Trestman supporter would say he made a bad call in trying a field goal on 2nd down. Not one coach in the history of the NFL has tried such a long kick on 2nd down, when it wasn't a last second situation. I thought it was a mistake, I thought his reasoning had some holes in it, although it was spoken eloquently and with conviction.

    His conviction is being called stubbornness by some writers in town because he won't say the words, 'I made a mistake.' Even though he admits to second guessing himself, and frequently self-scouting his decisions.

    Sometimes going against the grain is the wrong call. It happens.

    Hindsight brings to light a lot of mistakes, should he start a pattern where he's the wavering buffoon at the podium?

    'Yes Brad, I was wrong in attempting that kick on 2nd down.'

    'David of course you're correct, calling that 4th and inches was a clear mistake.'

    'Rick, I know, I know, throwing in that situation was a terrible decision.'

    'I honestly don't know what I was thinking Moon, I never should have punted.'

    No head coach will remain a head coach for very long if he addressed his mistakes like that.

    I'm OK with a coach that shows confidence, and I'm OK with a coach that doesn't stick solely to his sabermetric guns.

    You can't slap a metric on the game of football and roll with the results 100% of the time, no more than you can ignore all the advanced numbers on tendencies and go off a feeling.

    Criticizing Trestman for going from "Moneyball" to "gut" is an asinine complaint, yet other writers in Chicago are doing just that.

    I'm OK with a head coach that is smart enough to give both methods a thought, and I'm OK with Marc Trestman coaching the Chicago Bears.

    For now...
    http://www.windycitygridiron.com/201...the-book-coach

    This is something to think about...

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    Trestman will be fine, just give him a freaking break already. This season is doomed and had been for awhile. Let him learn ...
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    Rather him make his mistakes in a lost season than in a deep playoff run.

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    good read... and if the bears finish better than .500 I'm going to be surprised and if someone how they make the playoffs, I'm going to be crazy surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezio View Post
    Rather him make his mistakes in a lost season than in a deep playoff run.
    Exactly.

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    That's a good point by Ezio...I'll take his screw ups as a Rookie HC in a season where we aren't going anywhere and IMO the screw ups have been way overblown anyway.

    What he's done with this Offense in less than a season with, still, a pretty bad O-line is remarkable. Once Emery addresses the Defense and these guys can stay relatively healthy then the Bears are going to be a major threat.

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    I was skeptical of the hire of Trestman. However, I think that he has done a good job. Yes, he has made some bad calls, but everyone does. I am still curious to see how he addresses the defense.

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    last year the Bears were 10-6, almost making the playoffs
    Bears already at the 6 losses -
    Simply put, why didn't the Bears hire Tressman as a offensive coordinator as opposed to HC? If you combine Lovie and Tressman, now you're talking lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhd420 View Post
    last year the Bears were 10-6, almost making the playoffs
    Bears already at the 6 losses -
    Simply put, why didn't the Bears hire Tressman as a offensive coordinator as opposed to HC? If you combine Lovie and Tressman, now you're talking lol
    Lovie was never able to work well with any offensive coordinator. I think having a successful offense requires the team buying into it as a philosophy, and by all accounts practice and time given to the offense under Lovie was a joke.

    Plus that would have only undermined Lovie's authority.

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    I don't think Trestman would have accepted an OC role. Besides, I'm ok with him as our HC. He's vastly improved our offense in his first season and we will likely see a better offense next year and for years to come. I do think he should find a new DC though (I know I've said that a million times, but I think Trestman needs to keep looking).

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    I'm willing to ride with Tucker. The dude came into a tight knit group who loved Lovie & Hot Rod. They were forced to play under Tucker. There were injuries to key positions, one being MLB, which was already a big leadership hole as well. It probably couldn't get much worse.

    With that being said, if Tresty has a guy, I wouldn't cry over Tuck hittin' the road.

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    WTF....double post.
    Last edited by DESERTDWELLER; 12-11-2013 at 09:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBears1127 View Post
    I don't think Trestman would have accepted an OC role. Besides, I'm ok with him as our HC. He's vastly improved our offense in his first season and we will likely see a better offense next year and for years to come. I do think he should find a new DC though (I know I've said that a million times, but I think Trestman needs to keep looking).
    I agree, I don't believe Trestman would have left Canada for another non HC position.
    He's got the offense contributing at a level that we have not seen in 35 years, so keep it up.
    The problem he has is the same as Lovie, in reverse. Go out and find a DC that the D will relate to and win for. Rob Ryan reminds me of Buddy Ryan for the D vs. Ditka for the Offense. The D guys carry an OC blind spot and the OC minded HC carries a D blind spot from years of competition. Their buddies, where he gives them a shot are not the highly competitive ones, since they usually get the HC shot. Look at Lovie's terrible OC track record, Trestman is on the same horse. GM step in and give him what the team needs, a DC that can motivate and win.

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    This team while great on Offense, is seriously lacking on D. No pass rush, although Ratcliff appears to have helped, since he was getting dbl teamed, allowing some pass problems for Roma. But the LB's are a joke, consistently over running the play or getting blocked out of the play, like the rookies they really are. They screwed up with Urlacher, should have brought him back on the cheap as a back up and trainer. These guys can't even get to the corner in time to stop the run, really sad. Also screwed up with Adonaje, they made the Lions happy to get him. Some poor GM decisions.

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