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    Proposed change in posting system makes no sense

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    To clarify on Japanese posting, the top bidding team wins exclusive negotiating rights, but has to pay only the average of the top 2 bids.

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    So it's a good deal for #MLB. They protect themselves against one team going rogue & bidding an insane number.

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    Sounds like the plan for Japanese posting is that the final bid will be the average of the top two bids. Announcement likely very soon.


    Dosen't this encourage larger bids now that teams know they wont have to pay the full $$$ if they win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandsalami View Post
    Doesn't this encourage larger bids now that teams know they wont have to pay the full $$$ if they win?
    Maybe. But if two teams seriously overbid, each team thinking its winning bid will cost a lot less when averaged with the #2 bid, then the winning bid may be higher than it would have been had each team simply bid what they thought the player was worth. There's no way to measure the effect of the averaging because you don't know how much the 2nd highest bidder is going to bid.
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    This is pointless.

    We need an international draft damnit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    This is pointless.

    We need an international draft damnit..
    Meh.
    We need domestic amateur free agency and more integration between foreign leagues and the MLB.

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    ^ or that

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    now they do not have to pay the bid if they dont sign him right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe power View Post
    now they do not have to pay the bid if they dont sign him right?
    Yes, that's always been the rule.
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    Proposed change in posting system makes no sense

    Haha.. Japan's getting ready for the payday they will receive for tanaka..

    Interesting concept.. I like it because for international bidding, usually a team will far outbid other teams

    Your baby can't do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe power View Post
    now they do not have to pay the bid if they dont sign him right?
    I've seen rumors that the winning bid would have to pay a percentage, even if the player is not signed, to prevent teams from attempting to block rivals, while having no intentions of signing said player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylinkus View Post
    I've seen rumors that the winning bid would have to pay a percentage, even if the player is not signed, to prevent teams from attempting to block rivals, while having no intentions of signing said player.
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    Letting the player choose between the top three bids made sense. It would've given the player some say and addressed some of the issues their players association has with the process, and it also might have kept bidding down as both a) shooting for the moon would no longer guarantee winning the rights and b) coming in third might even make a team more attractive to the player with potentially more money going to him.

    This concept, though, is just asinine. I feel like NPB is playing MLB for fools. They know this will get them even more absurd sums of money than the old system did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    This is pointless.

    We need an international draft damnit..
    Yeah how dare this Professional teams not just give their best players to us, it's outrageous they would expect compensation for players they don't have to post, and it's ridiculous that a player like Tanaka expects to be paid real money and not go through the same process that costs US players money. He should make league minimum for the first 3 years, then enter arbitration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynoplasty View Post
    Letting the player choose between the top three bids made sense. It would've given the player some say and addressed some of the issues their players association has with the process, and it also might have kept bidding down as both a) shooting for the moon would no longer guarantee winning the rights and b) coming in third might even make a team more attractive to the player with potentially more money going to him.

    This concept, though, is just asinine. I feel like NPB is playing MLB for fools. They know this will get them even more absurd sums of money than the old system did.
    They would have to be a reward for having the winning bid, otherwise the team with the 3rd highest bid is in the best position because they will have less money committed. The Japanese teams have a right to expect payment for these players, they don't have to post them.

    If you had a top 3 system you would either need to give the 1st place team exclusive negotiation rights, around a month. If you had a sytem where the top 3 bids get to negotiate but the team that signs the player either has to pay the highest bid or pay some sort of average between the 3 that would make sense.

    I guess another option would allow the player to negotiate with every team, but have a portion of his final contract go to his Japanese team, so when ryu signed a contract worth a total of 60 mill, his team would received 40-50% of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    They would have to be a reward for having the winning bid, otherwise the team with the 3rd highest bid is in the best position because they will have less money committed. The Japanese teams have a right to expect payment for these players, they don't have to post them.

    If you had a top 3 system you would either need to give the 1st place team exclusive negotiation rights, around a month. If you had a sytem where the top 3 bids get to negotiate but the team that signs the player either has to pay the highest bid or pay some sort of average between the 3 that would make sense.

    I guess another option would allow the player to negotiate with every team, but have a portion of his final contract go to his Japanese team, so when ryu signed a contract worth a total of 60 mill, his team would received 40-50% of it.
    They deserve SOMETHING, but what they've been getting with these recent postings has become indefensible and downright absurd. The postings for DiceK and Darvish were enough to cover an NPB payroll for several years. The numbers I've seen predicted for Tanaka would basically pay his current team's entire payroll for the better part of the next decade. I'm not losing any sleep if the poor NPB owners only get to play the MLB for suckers slightly less than they are currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynoplasty View Post
    They deserve SOMETHING, but what they've been getting with these recent postings has become indefensible and downright absurd. The postings for DiceK and Darvish were enough to cover an NPB payroll for several years. The numbers I've seen predicted for Tanaka would basically pay his current team's entire payroll for the better part of the next decade. I'm not losing any sleep if the poor NPB owners only get to play the MLB for suckers slightly less than they are currently.
    Then teams shouldn't bid so high, the redsox and rangers chose to make bids around 50 million, if the dodgers or Yankees win the bid at 70 mill, well that's what they chose to pay, they could have bid less, the Japanese teams never forced our teams to bid stupid amounts of money. They deserve whatever they can get, not less.

    They just won their championship, competitively speaking they would be better off keeping him for the 2 years they have left on his contract, the deserve to get whatever they can considering they are doing MLB a favor.
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