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    Miguel Cabrera named Player of the Year and AL Most Outstanding Player by his peers

    Miggy took top honors at the Player's Choice Awards this year. The boy is a beast!!! I think he'll have a similar showing in the MVP voting again this year.

    Batting champ 3 straight years and (hopefully) back-to-back MVP awards. We're seeing something truly special here, and as a Tiger fan, I'm savoring every second of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexicano31 View Post
    Shocking absolutely no one

    Of course not. Because Miggy was the AL's most outstanding player.

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    Yay appeal to authority!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory Faust View Post
    Or maybe WAR puts too much emphasis on defense and base running.

    I don't blindly accept the opinions of ballplayers, but I do lend weight to what they have to say.
    How have you decided how much emphasis to put on defense, base running and the opinions of ballplayers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    How have you decided how much emphasis to put on defense, base running and the opinions of ballplayers?

    I don't have a specific percentage I can give you.

    But there are countless examples of WAR defying common sense by making one player seem better than others; see Ben Zobrist a few years ago.

    There are also countless examples of the "eye test," or the opinions of major leaguers, being dead wrong.

    My point is, I don't just automatically discount what players have to say because WAR contradicts their opinions. And a lot of folks do just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory Faust View Post
    see Ben Zobrist a few years ago.
    You mean 2009?
    The year Zobrist had a 152 OPS+ while playing mostly 2B and playing it at an above average level?

    For what it is worth, Miguel Cabrera has a 154 OPS+ for his career as a 1st/3rd baseman.

    A second baseman who hits like Miguel Cabrera seems like a player having a pretty productive season to me.


    Since 1970 there have been 8 second basemen who had a season with a 150 wRC+
    Joe Morgan (5 times)
    Bobby Grich
    Jeff Kent
    Rod Carew (2 times)
    Roberto Alomar
    Edgardo Alfonso
    Chase Utley
    and Ben Zobrist

    Robbie Cano has never done it. Ryne Sandberg never did it.

    Zobrist may not be as good as those guys, but his 2009 certainly was.


    My point is, I don't just automatically discount what players have to say because WAR contradicts their opinions.
    Do you automatically discount WAR because it contradicts your opinion?

    But there are countless examples of WAR defying common sense
    If common sense were infallible, there would be no need for science.
    Hopefully, you agree that there is a need for science.
    Last edited by filihok; 11-05-2013 at 09:14 AM.

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    no surprise there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory Faust View Post
    Of course not. Because Miggy was the AL's most outstanding player.
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    Did mike trout die?
    Quote Originally Posted by Victory Faust View Post
    Nope. He's still doing an outstanding job for the Angels.

    But major league ballplayers still chose Miggy as the game's most outstanding player.

    Perhaps they're all a bunch of dumb jock idiots who don't have a clue what it takes to win baseball games.

    Or maybe WAR puts too much emphasis on defense and base running.

    I don't blindly accept the opinions of ballplayers, but I do lend weight to what they have to say.
    Are we really going to recycle the same tired argument again?

    I figured everyone would be bored of that already

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-800-STFU View Post
    Are we really going to recycle the same tired argument again?

    I figured everyone would be bored of that already
    Never

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    They are a bunch of dumb jocks. We are talking about the most uneducated of athletes. 4% with a bachelors degree.
    That honour goes to hockey players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LechWalesa View Post
    That honour goes to hockey players.
    You have any evidence for this or...

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    Deservedly so.

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    You have any evidence for this or...
    Its common sense


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATL#22 View Post
    Its common sense
    So you don't have any evidence?

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    With the type of offensive numbers Cabrera put up, it doesn't surprise me. Most baseball players are not particularly versed in advanced stats and it's ultimately the same argument all the time.

    Those who are will vote Trout and those who aren't will vote for Cabrera.
    Last edited by metswon69; 11-05-2013 at 02:58 PM.

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