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  • Make a major trade

    9 60.00%
  • Make a minor trade

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  • Release Deng

    2 13.33%
  • Release Deng and amnesty Boozer

    1 6.67%
  • Bring Deng and Boozer back, add Mirotic

    1 6.67%
  • Other (?)

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    Chicago Bulls 2014 Offseason Plan

    I know it's early for this, but I was just giving next offseason a look and wanted to throw together a rough guideline while it's in my head, since I'm sick and doing nothing all weekend. Hopefully there aren't too many errors (I'm sure there's something I'm missing).

    And this can be moved to the ideas thread eventually, but I just wanted it to get some opinions at least.


    G: Derrick Rose - Marquis Teague
    G: Jimmy Butler - Tony Snell
    F: Mike Dunleavy
    F: Carlos Boozer - Taj Gibson
    C: Joakim Noah

    We currently have that under contract for next season, at $63,791,178 (Not counting Murphy's non-guaranteed deal). Plus Rip's buyout at $333,334 and cap holds at $2,536,680. So $66,661,192.

    Drop it to $49,861,192 if we amnesty Boozer. And the predicted cap next year is ~$62,100,000. So that'd give us roughly $12,238,808 in cap space.

    Then you factor in Mirotic' salary, which is projected to cost at least around the mini-MLE rate (let's just say $3,000,000 for the sake of easiness). That gives us ~$9,238,808 and a lineup of...

    G: Derrick Rose - Marquis Teague
    G: Jimmy Butler - Tony Snell
    F: Mike Dunleavy - Draft/FA
    F: Taj Gibson - Nikola Mirotic
    C: Joakim Noah - Draft/FA

    (Salary info via storytellers)

    Trying to minimize this to the bigger targets, here's the list of free agents (including POs and ETOs).

    Unrestricted FAs:
    LeBron James
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Dwyane Wade
    Chris Bosh
    Carmelo Anthony
    Kobe Bryant
    Tim Duncan
    Pau Gasol
    Zach Randolph
    Kyle Lowry
    Danny Granger
    Paul Pierce
    Rudy Gay
    Andrei Kirilenko
    Ben Gordon
    Luol Deng
    Shawn Marion
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Nate Robinson
    Rodney Stuckey
    Chauncey Billups
    Andrew Bogut
    Chris Kaman
    Ray Allen
    Mario Chalmers
    Caron Butler
    Andrea Bargnani
    Metta World Peace
    Amar'e Stoudemire
    Thabo Sefolosha
    Spencer Hawes
    Marcin Gortat
    Trevor Ariza

    Restricted FAs:
    Greg Monroe
    Larry Sanders
    Evan Turner
    Eric Bledsoe
    Isaiah Thomas
    Gordon Hayward
    Avery Bradley

    Full list: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/85...ents-2013-2014

    We can easily rule out signing a good chunk of those guys outright. Then we have the realistic to dream trade scenarios with Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Durant, Eric Gordon, etc, along with any S&Ts.

    So barring a trade, is it really going to be worth it to amnesty Boozer and release Deng for the roughly $8M-$12M in cap space?

    And if we do decide to retain Boozer and Deng, do we have enough with the addition of Mirotic, a rookie, and minimum players? (my answer is yes, depending on Snell and Teague's development)

    G: Derrick Rose - Marquis Teague - Draft/FA
    G: Jimmy Butler - Tony Snell
    F: Luol Deng - Mike Dunleavy
    F: Carlos Boozer - Nikola Mirotic
    C: Joakim Noah - Taj Gibson - Draft/FA

    Personally, I can support the route of trying to make a trade, depending on what kind of player/return we can get. As well as having no issue with bringing everyone back, along with Mirotic. But losing Deng and Boozer, only to replace them with ~$9M (+ Mirotic and picks) worth in free agency doesn't seem to be the best plan imo.

    So it's seemingly going to be worse talent with more financial flexibility, or maximize talent at the cost of future financial flexibility.
    Last edited by kingbrentg; 11-03-2013 at 06:55 PM.

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    IMO the best way to significantly improve this team is to make a major trade and we have the assets to do it.

    I'm hoping the Wolves have another rough season and Love wants out. Offer up CHA pick, rights to Mirotic and whatever else it takes to make it work (excluding Rose & Noah, Jimmy too if we can avoid it, but he shouldn't be the dealbreaker IMO).

    Oh and neither Cousins or Favors are RFA's anymore since they signed extensions. And I'm not sure how the rules for RFA's work, but if we can offer any of them a contract, I'd rather go that route than any of the UFA's mostly because they're all much younger and some have considerable upside (Hayward, Monroe). I also think most of those UFA's will stick with their current teams, though I wouldn't put it past Dirk or Kobe to chase a ring.
    Last edited by DamnGoat; 11-03-2013 at 06:54 PM.

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    It's too early for me to start making offseason plans (as of who I'd target and all that) but I would let Deng walk, and amnesty Boozer (if we're planning on bringing Mirotic over). The one move I know I would make would be to throw all of our available cap at Gordon Hayward and see if Utah matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KH12 View Post
    It's too early for me to start making offseason plans (as of who I'd target and all that) but I would let Deng walk, and amnesty Boozer (if we're planning on bringing Mirotic over). The one move I know I would make would be to throw all of our available cap at Gordon Hayward and see if Utah matches.
    I could get behind this.

    How much $ will be available if we let Deng go (which IMO is almost a given at this point) & amnesty Boozer?

    Rose/Teague
    Butler/Snell
    Hayward/Dunleavy
    Mirotic/Taj
    Noah/Taj

    Not bad at all if the Jazz don't match, lots of youth & upside and still have the CHA pick in our back pocket to make an impact move if Mirotic doesn't pan out.

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    We'd have to get creative to get Hayward and Mirotic over, have to dump Teague and Murphy. Dunleavy would likely have to go too. And trade our pick for a future one.

    Rose, Noah, Buckets, Taj and Snell = $43.6M. Cap will be around ~$59/60M.

    Round out the bench with a bunch of minimum contracts. I think we'd have our BAE too? Not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    Oh and neither Cousins or Favors are RFA's anymore since they signed extensions. And I'm not sure how the rules for RFA's work, but if we can offer any of them a contract, I'd rather go that route than any of the UFA's mostly because they're all much younger and some have considerable upside (Hayward, Monroe). I also think most of those UFA's will stick with their current teams, though I wouldn't put it past Dirk or Kobe to chase a ring.
    Ah thanks, I forgot to go through and see which guys had extended. I just copied from ESPN's FA list.

    Quote Originally Posted by KH12 View Post
    It's too early for me to start making offseason plans (as of who I'd target and all that) but I would let Deng walk, and amnesty Boozer (if we're planning on bringing Mirotic over). The one move I know I would make would be to throw all of our available cap at Gordon Hayward and see if Utah matches.
    That was the idea I kicked around if we were to part ways with Deng and Boozer. Just not sure what kind of shape we'd end up in if Utah matches what we could offer Hayward. We'd be banking hard on Mirotic panning out too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    I could get behind this.

    How much $ will be available if we let Deng go (which IMO is almost a given at this point) & amnesty Boozer?

    Rose/Teague
    Butler/Snell
    Hayward/Dunleavy
    Mirotic/Taj
    Noah/Taj

    Not bad at all if the Jazz don't match, lots of youth & upside and still have the CHA pick in our back pocket to make an impact move if Mirotic doesn't pan out.
    From my rough estimates in the OP, about $9M.

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    If that's all we have then we're probably better off trying to make a trade. I can't see us improving the roster that much with just $9M to spend.

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    Pay a ton of money Brooklyn style and bring in a squad

    (half sarcasm, I know Reinsdorf doesn't have the money the Nets guy has)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    If that's all we have then we're probably better off trying to make a trade. I can't see us improving the roster that much with just $9M to spend.
    That's kind of the conclusion I came to. And the $9M is probably a generous number as well, assuming that Mirotic would accept ~$3M.

    I think our best option to contend next year will probably end up being to bring Deng and Boozer back, along with Mirotic. Or use the cap space we have to swing an uneven salary type deal for LMA/Love.

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    Don't like the idea of Hayward at all. Utah would probably match and make us wait a week or so and really limit who we could get. Plus i don't think he makes our team all that much better to take that kind of risk.

    Honestly we have to get really lucky and hope that NY really breaks down this year and Melo leaves. Would you guys be willing to re-haul the roster for the likes of Dirk or Kobe even as far fetched as those names sound?

    Best bet is probably just to stick with the current squad we have or make a trade
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingbrentg View Post
    That's kind of the conclusion I came to. And the $9M is probably a generous number as well, assuming that Mirotic would accept ~$3M.

    I think our best option to contend next year will probably end up being to bring Deng and Boozer back, along with Mirotic. Or use the cap space we have to swing an uneven salary type deal for LMA/Love.
    I don't think it's really worth it to bring Deng back (and I get the feeling that ship has sailed between he & the FO anyway). If he's not going to hit open jumpers anymore he's basically a defensive specialist.

    I'm fine with letting Boozer play out his contract though and I'd still like to see that CHA pick used in a trade of some sort (maybe for a SF replacement instead of Love, Horford, etc).

    Another option could be letting Deng walk and see what Pierce wants on 1-2 year deal.
    Last edited by DamnGoat; 11-03-2013 at 07:37 PM.

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    Would you guys be willing to ship out taj for much cheaper options along with letting deng and boozer go if it meant we could get Melo?



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    I don't want Deng back at all. He's going to get at least 4/$48M, and I just don't think he's going to be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    I don't think it's really worth it to bring Deng back (and I get the feeling that ship has sailed between he & the FO anyway). If he's not going to hit open jumpers anymore he's basically a defensive specialist.

    I'm fine with letting Boozer play out his contract though and I'd still like to see that CHA pick used in a trade of some sort (maybe for a SF replacement instead of Love, Horford, etc).

    Another option could be letting Deng walk and see what Pierce wants on 1-2 year deal.
    Long-term, I agree. I'm pretty well over Deng at this point (offensively), especially for the money he'll command.

    Short-term, though, it doesn't give us any cap space to use on free agents next Summer, since we'd still be over the predicted cap with Boozer. Overall though, paying Deng for another 4-5 years and crippling us financially probably isn't worth it for me. I think I'm at the point of trying to move him for some assets at the deadline. Though that could put a dent in our current title hopes this year. Ugh. It's a really tough situation, so I don't envy GarPax at all right now.

    So I don't think we'd be able to bring in Pierce, unless he's signing for an exception/minimum deal.

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