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    Max Scherzer?


    Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that despite rumblings, he has not had any serious discussions about trading Max Scherzer this offseason.
    That doesn't mean that he won't consider trading the favorite for the AL Cy Young award this season, just that he hasn't had any discussions of the sort just yet. Scherzer is set to become a free agent after the 2014 season, and if the Tigers are unable to come to terms on a long-term extension, it may make sense to see what they could get for him via trade. However, it could just be posturing on Dombrowski's part in an attempt to gain leverage in negotiations with Scherzer's agent Scott Boras.
    Should the Braves attempt to trade for Scherzer?

    Yes, Scott Boras is his agent and he is going to get at least $20m a season and 5 or 6 years.

    But he is only making $10m next season and the Braves could probably afford to give him $20m over 5 seasons. That's good money.

    I don't think one Cy Young is going to get him more than that. Everyone regrets these CC Sabathia deals and I think the bigger teams are going to balk at that.

    But the Tigers would probably like La Stella and I could see them asking for Medlen as they'd want a major league ready replacement with a few more Arbitration Years. We might have to part with Jonny Venters or Dan Carpenter to give them possible Closer options.

    Anyway, thoughts?

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    Max Scherzer?

    I say no. The trade would be something like Sims, Wood, and Pereza


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    Besides this season, Scherzer wasn't that good. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving up our prospects for someone who is generally a 3.60 ERA , 1.20+ WHIP guy. Those are just numbers for meaningless stats to some people, but i would say no.
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    The Tigers are smart to want to sell high especially if their coaching doesn't have confidence that Max can sustain what he did this season. Don't think the Braves should get involved.

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    Max Scherzer: Age 29, righty, last 2 years:
    2012: (231K in 187 IP, 4.0 WAR), 2013: (240K in 214 IP, 6.7 WAR).
    1.23 career WHIP
    52-19 last 3 years

    David Price: Age 28, lefty, last 2 years:
    2012: (205K in 211 IP, 6.4 WAR), 2013: (151K in 186 IP, 2.8 WAR).
    1.16 career WHIP
    42-26 last 3 years

    Pretty close, they're both great. Scherzer has those scary 2 colored eyes though....but then again there's BORASS to have to deal with.

    I still like a trade to get Sale:

    Chris Sale: Age 24, lefty, last 2 years:

    2012: (192K in 192 IP, 5.8 WAR), 2013: (226K in 214 IP, 6.9 WAR).
    1.10 career WHIP
    30-24 last 3 years
    1991 Lost WS to Twins 4-3
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    1993 Lost NLCS to Phillies 4-2
    1996 Lost WS to Yankees 4-2 (led 2-0)
    1997 Lost NLCS to Marlins 4-2
    1998 Lost NLCS to Padres 4-2
    1999 Lost WS 4-0 to Yankees
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    2004 Lost NLDS 3-2 to Astros
    2005 Lost NLDS 3-1 to Astros
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    You listed the exact reasons Sale won't be traded. 24, good numbers, not even in his prime. Thats like us trading Kimbrel, not the exact same level of dominance, but the young, controllable, and productive tag is on both of them.
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    I like Scherzer but not at his age, pitcher type, and cost. Pass.

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    I actually would put Scherzer pretty high on the list of pitchers I'd want the Braves to try to acquire this winter. For the record again, I think they should just re-sign Tim Hudson and stand pat. But if they're insistent upon acquiring an ace, Scherzer is an awesome option for a couple reasons.

    First, he's an astoundingly good pitcher. The last two seasons, he's been absolutely stellar. Ignore his ERA in 2012; that was a fluke and his peripherals match up very well with what he's done this year in his Cy Young-contending effort. There's some risk in the fact that he's a pretty extreme flyball pitcher, but when you average 10.5 K/9 to just 2.6 BB/9 (as Scherzer has over the past two seasons), it just tends not to matter very much. Cliff Lee and Stephen Strasburg are really the only two pitchers that I'd potentially consider better than Scherzer since the start of the '12 season, and I'd rate him significantly above David Price over that time.

    Second, he's a rental. I know, usually this is a bad thing, but in the Braves' case, a short-term move might be the one that makes the most sense. For one thing, it will depress the cost in prospects so that it won't be a Price-caliber deal. Teams probably aren't going to give up a Jurickson Profar or a Xander Bogaerts for a one-year solution. And for another positive, the Braves can afford to take a big contract this year, but they need one that comes off the books at the end of the 2014 season. If the Braves keep the young core intact (that's Freeman, C. Johnson, Heyward, Medlen, Minor, and Kimbrel), then they'll already have about $93 million or so committed for 2015. (That's rough math, but it's a good ballpark figure). So acquiring a guy like Price this year would push them way over the 2015 limit and put them in the unenviable position of being forced to trade or move someone. With Scherzer, on the other hand, you pay him, and then if there's a good deal to be had, you can move one or more of the arbitration-eligible guys and then make a bid to re-sign him. It doesn't force your hand any particular direction.

    With all that said, I doubt the Braves would pursue Scherzer. The front office is too conservative for an all-in move like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamaj View Post
    The Tigers are smart to want to sell high especially if their coaching doesn't have confidence that Max can sustain what he did this season. Don't think the Braves should get involved.
    I want what the Tigers coaches are smoking if they don't have confidence Scherzer can sustain his 2012-13 level of performance. The indicators suggest his 2013 ERA is right on target with what it should be. Obviously no pitcher is a sure bet, but Scherzer is about as close as they come.

    Quote Originally Posted by Getting UGGLA View Post
    I still like a trade to get Sale
    Particularly if all we have to give up is Tyler Pastornicky and a pair of game-used Fredi Gonzalez cleats. The White Sox aren't trading Chris Sale. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westside View Post
    You listed the exact reasons Sale won't be traded. 24, good numbers, not even in his prime. Thats like us trading Kimbrel, not the exact same level of dominance, but the young, controllable, and productive tag is on both of them.
    1991 Lost WS to Twins 4-3
    1992 Lost WS to Blue Jays 4-2
    1993 Lost NLCS to Phillies 4-2
    1996 Lost WS to Yankees 4-2 (led 2-0)
    1997 Lost NLCS to Marlins 4-2
    1998 Lost NLCS to Padres 4-2
    1999 Lost WS 4-0 to Yankees
    2000 Lost NLDS 3-0 to Cardinals
    2001 Lost NLCS to Diamondbacks 4-1
    2002 Lost NLDS 3-2 to Giants
    2003 Lost NLDS 3-2 to Cubs
    2004 Lost NLDS 3-2 to Astros
    2005 Lost NLDS 3-1 to Astros
    2010 Lost NLDS 3-1 to Giants
    2012 Lost NLWC 1-0 to Cardinals
    2013 Lost NLDS 3-1 to Dodgers

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    This is the guy we should be going after
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    Simmons over Harper!!!

    WAR Stats:

    2014 - Simmons 0.7 vs Harper -0.2
    2013 - Simmons 4.7 vs Harper 3.8
    Career - Simmons 7.6 vs Harper 8.1
    162 game average - Simmons 5.0 vs Harper 4.7

    updated 5/22/14

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