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    Why Allocation Is More Important Than Actual Payroll Numbers

    http://www.gammonsdaily.com/mlb-wins...-sale-in-2013/

    Now that the regular season has concluded we can compile the owners' favorite stat, Cost Per Win. Below you will find a list of every MLB team's payroll divided by their total number of regular season wins. If you take away Houston and Miami, who to be fair shouldn't even qualify for this list, the 4 teams with the lowest cost per win are in the playoffs. All the while, of the 17 highest cost per win teams, just 4 made the playoffs and only one sits in the top 7.


    Team Payroll ($) Wins Cost Per Win ($)
    1. Dodgers 220,395,196 92 2,395,602
    2. Yankees 203,445,586 85 2,393,477
    3. Phillies 170,760,689 73 2,339,188
    4. Chicago 119,573,277 63 1,897,989
    5. Giants 136,042,112 76 1,790,028
    6. Angels 127,896,250 78 1,639,696
    7. Cubs 107,646,476 66 1,631,007
    8. Tigers 148,414,500 93 1,595,855
    9. Blue Jays 117,035,100 74 1,581,555
    10. Red Sox 140,657,500 97 1,450,077
    11. Nats 114,194,270 86 1,327,840
    12. Rangers 112,939,500 91 1,241,093
    13. Reds 109,401,962 90 1,215,577
    14. Brewers 88,837,366 74 1,200,505
    15. Twins 75,802,500 66 1,148,523
    16. Dbacks 89 798,667 81 1,108,626
    17. Orioles 91,793,333 85 1,079,922
    18. Cardinals 102,790,110 97 1,059,692
    19. Mariners 73,499,643 71 1,035,206
    20. Mets 73,996,639 74 999,955
    21. Rockies 71,434,071 74 965,325
    22. Braves 89,986,525 96 937,360
    23. Royals 79,491,725 86 924,322
    24. Padres 66,022,900 76 868,722
    25. Pirates 79,562,000 94 846,404
    26. Indians 73,724,300 92 801,351
    27. Athletics 60,372,500 96 628,880
    28. Rays 57,505,272 92 625,057

    29. Marlins 35,720,400 62 576,135
    30. Astros 21,133,500 51 414,382
    Teams in bold made the playoffs.

    Just to show that where payroll goes is more important than how much is spent.
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    And this stat is good for . . . not much.
    A one season sample is not good for this stat, since it really reflects minor league development as well as signings and injuries.
    The list might tell us that you can be cheap and develop smartly (Rays), be cheap and pick the right reclamation projects (A's and Indians), spend crazy money and have a winning record (Dodgers and Yankees [remember injuries], or be a team that has the right mix of payroll and talent recognition (Braves, Cards and Reds).

    I'm pretty sure one can make this list say anything they want.
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    Why Allocation Is More Important Than Actual Payroll Numbers

    This list means very little when the denominator (wins) is a low number.

    All it tells you then is that your team may have lost a lot, but at least it was efficient about it.

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    I hate when people take one season, and make it a blueprint.
    There are many ways to win, it just takes making good decisions, and getting lucky.
    Whether though free agency, trades or draft.

    This is pointless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmantrash View Post
    I hate when people take one season, and make it a blueprint.
    There are many ways to win, it just takes making good decisions, and getting lucky.
    Whether though free agency, trades or draft.

    This is pointless



    Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    http://www.gammonsdaily.com/mlb-wins...-sale-in-2013/



    Teams in bold made the playoffs.

    Just to show that where payroll goes is more important than how much is spent.

    It doesn't show that at all, it shows that some teams are better run than others, including the Indians who showed real ambition this year, instead of making excuses and doing nothing. If The Indians would have taken the advice of people on this board then they would have kept the draft pick and thrown the towel in because 'Bourn isn't taking us anywhere' or 'Swisher isn't taking us anywhere' or 'So there's no point ruining trying to improve, we're too far away'

    But the Indians knew that signing the right blend of players together could turn the team round very quickly, just like Boston did. The Mets see a poor team as an excuse not to improve it, and the fans buy into it. As I have always argued the rationale that 'Because player A can't turn the team round on his own, then he's not worth signing' is completely ridiculous and flawed, and just leads to inactivity and more losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It doesn't show that at all, it shows that some teams are better run than others, including the Indians who showed real ambition this year, instead of making excuses and doing nothing. If The Indians would have taken the advice of people on this board then they would have kept the draft pick and thrown the towel in because 'Bourn isn't taking us anywhere' or 'Swisher isn't taking us anywhere' or 'So there's no point ruining trying to improve, we're too far away...
    Indians had a protected #1 pick.
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    This list means very little when the denominator (wins) is a low number.

    All it tells you then is that your team may have lost a lot, but at least it was efficient about it.

    That's all it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    This list means very little when the denominator (wins) is a low number.

    All it tells you then is that your team may have lost a lot, but at least it was efficient about it.
    Gammons wasn't talking about the Mets.
    He was illustrating that the

    23. Royals 79,491,725 86 924,322
    24. Padres 66,022,900 76 868,722
    25. Pirates 79,562,000 94 846,404
    26. Indians 73,724,300 92 801,351
    27. Athletics 60,372,500 96 628,880
    28. Rays 57,505,272 92 625,057


    had winning records in spite of being roughly the bottom third in payroll.

    So is there a paradigm shift in the high priced Free Agent methodology that the Yankees have made successful the past decade and a half.

    Some could argue that shift has already occurred.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It doesn't show that at all, it shows that some teams are better run than others, including the Indians who showed real ambition this year, instead of making excuses and doing nothing. If The Indians would have taken the advice of people on this board then they would have kept the draft pick and thrown the towel in because 'Bourn isn't taking us anywhere' or 'Swisher isn't taking us anywhere' or 'So there's no point ruining trying to improve, we're too far away'

    But the Indians knew that signing the right blend of players together could turn the team round very quickly, just like Boston did. The Mets see a poor team as an excuse not to improve it, and the fans buy into it. As I have always argued the rationale that 'Because player A can't turn the team round on his own, then he's not worth signing' is completely ridiculous and flawed, and just leads to inactivity and more losing.
    The Indians drafted Clint Fraizer with the PROTECTED #5 pick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Indians had a protected #1 pick.
    Yes they did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It doesn't show that at all, it shows that some teams are better run than others, including the Indians who showed real ambition this year, instead of making excuses and doing nothing. If The Indians would have taken the advice of people on this board then they would have kept the draft pick and thrown the towel in because 'Bourn isn't taking us anywhere' or 'Swisher isn't taking us anywhere' or 'So there's no point ruining trying to improve, we're too far away'

    But the Indians knew that signing the right blend of players together could turn the team round very quickly, just like Boston did. The Mets see a poor team as an excuse not to improve it, and the fans buy into it. As I have always argued the rationale that 'Because player A can't turn the team round on his own, then he's not worth signing' is completely ridiculous and flawed, and just leads to inactivity and more losing.
    The pick was protected like Clay and Dug have already mentioned.
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    Can anybody tell me if the Indians pick was protected last year?

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    The Indians had a protected pick last year, as clay, dug and 69 have mentioned.
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