Post all free agent rumors, trade rumors, and ideas here.
Post all free agent rumors, trade rumors, and ideas here.
I don't see how we are anywhere close to the luxury tax threshold.The Angels appear unlikely to extend a qualifying offer to Jason Vargas, writes Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com. The team will already be close to the luxury-tax threshold of $189MM, and Gonzalez notes that if Vargas took the qualifying offer of around $14MM, the Angels would "basically already be over budget." Vargas has posted a 4.01 ERA with 6.6 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 in 143 2/3 innings in 2013.
The luxury tax is an obstacle to signing Mike Trout to an extension, Gonzalez writes. The luxury tax is calculated based on the average annual value of the players on a team's 40-man roster. So, Gonzalez notes, if the Angels were to sign Trout to a ten-year, $300MM deal, $30MM per year would count toward the luxury tax, even if the contract is backloaded. Without an extension, Trout will again make near the league minimum in 2014.
Between Hamilton (25M), Pujols (24M), Wells (18.6M), Weaver (17M), Wilson (15.5M), Aybar (8.75M), Kendrick (8.375), Blanton (7.5M), Iannetta (5.18M), and Burnett (4M) that is only 133,905,000.
Then you have Jerome Williams (3.5M), Tommy Hanson (4M), Kevin Jepsen (2.5M), Mark Trumbo (4.5M), Ernesto Frieri (2.5M), and Peter Bourjos (3.0M) who are arb eligible. I was being generous with these arbitration raises but that would still only be another 20M, putting us at 153,905,000.
You have 9 guys under contract, 6 guys who are arbitration eligible so that leaves 25 guys making the minimum which amounts to about 12.5M. That would be about 166,405,000, 22M+ below the luxury tax threshold. I guess that might be considered close
there are some pretty good starting pitchers hitting the market soon(not so much this year) If we can go out and get one of them next year and another the year after i think we can be really good again.
Of the relievers i think we should look at are
Jesse Crain: has missed sometime this year, but has been really lights out over the last few years.
Chad Gaudin: he has pitched really well for the giants, i think we should look at him. He can start and relieve.
Javier Lopez: has been real good for the giants this year as well.
Scott Downs: Why not?
Manny Parra: decent loogy
Chris Perez: Depends on how much Cleveland wants for him.
Any chance we go after David Price
SU De La Rosa
I rather spend the 4Mish it would take to sign one of those relievers and use it on a starter
If I am in charge this is what I would do in the off season (probably changes by the end of the day)
You have 122,675,000 tied into Pujols (23M), Wells (18.6M), Weaver (16M), Wilson (16M), Kendrick (9.35M) Aybar (8.5M), Blanton (7.5M), Iannetta (4.975M), and Burnett (3.75M) going into 2014.
Then you have Trumbo, Bourjos, and Frieri who are first time arbitration eligible. Jepsen and Hanson who are in their second year of arbitration. Lastly Williams who is in his third year of arbitration. We will just say Trumbo gets 3.5M in his first year of arb (Likely will get a little less). Bourjos gets 2.5M. Frieri gets 2M. Jepsen gets 2M. That puts us at 132,675,000
Then you have 24 guys making the minimum which adds another 12M.
That puts us at 144,675,000 giving us not much to spend if we plan on staying under 151M (where we were in 2012).
So first off don't offer Williams or Hanson arbitration. Neither guy is going to be in our rotation. We are already paying Blanton (who will also not be in our rotation) so Blanton can be the mop up guy in the pen. You should really never pay a mop up guy more than the minimum. There are plenty of guys you can sign to minor league deals that can do the exact same job Williams or Hanson is capable of doing. You also have Matt Shoemaker who could fill this role.
We really don't have the money to upgrade our pen so we are going to have to work with what we have. The best bullpen arms in our minor league system are not far off. R.J. Alvarez will likely be in Double-A to start the season and could be in the big leagues by the end of the season. Mike Morin could start the season in the big leagues depending on how he does in spring training.
CL Ernesto Frieri
SU Dane De La Rosa
SU Sean Burnett
MR Michael Kohn
MR Kevin Jepsen
MR Nick Maronde/Buddy Boshers/Robert Coello/Mike Morin/Andrew Taylor/Ryan Brasier
LR Joe Blanton/Matt Shoemaker
We are going to need these guys to stay healthy.
We have two holes in our rotation, no one in the minors is really ready to step in. We don't have much money to spend in free agency so...
Trade Mark Trumbo/J.B. Shuck to the Pirates for Jameson Taillon
Trade Howie Kendrick to the Dodgers for Zach Lee
Trading Trumbo and Kendrick gives you an extra 12.8M, about 18M-20M under 151M.
Sign Masahiro Tanaka 6 years 46M (not including 38M posting fee)
1. Jered Weaver
2. C.J. Wilson
3. Masahiro Tanaka
4. Garrett Richards
5. Jameson Taillon/Zach Lee
Signing Tanaka gives us about 6M-8M left to spend
Sign Omar Infante 2 years 14M
Sign Eric Chavez 1 year 2M-3M
LF Mike Trout
DH Kole Calhoun
1B Albert Pujols
RF Josh Hamilton
C Hank Conger/Chris Iannetta
2B Omar Infante
3B Luis Jimenez/Eric Chavez
CF Peter Bourjos
SS Erick Aybar
Chris Iannetta/Hank Conger
Luis Jimenez/Eric Chavez
What do you think we could get for bourjos
If the only money that Arte spends this off season is on Tanaka I will be so damn happy. He is young and relatively cheap, it won't cost us minor leaguers or draft picks. And he can make an impact right away.
Though sir Valddy, the trades you suggested are very unlikely.
If the dodgers sign Alexander Gurrero, they don't have any need for Kendrick, so trading Kendrick for Lee is really unlikely at that point.
There is no way the pirates are trading us Tallion for anything short of Trout. Their rotation is patch work enough, with Liriano and Burnett who might retire. He is more or less major league ready, and a consensus top 5-15 prospect in baseball, and what the hell are they going to do with J.B. Shuck? They have Marte in LF, McCutchen in Center and they have Tabata in RF, and Polanco in AAA. Shuck is like their 5th OF.
Also, you say you would rather save the 4 mill it takes to sign some starters, but it seems your plan is to trade for two minor league pitchers who would make league minimum. So then why not spend the rest on the bull pen.
Also, You listed 3rd as Chez/Jimmenez, but i think they are just going to make Green our 3b come opening day.
I would expect something similar to what the Twins got for Span or what they got for Revere
Marmol can't throw a strike to save his life
But still the Dodgers might not sign Guerrero and once the Yankees re-sign Cano they will be looking for a 2B.
Shuck was just a throw in because I don't really like him and we have no need for him.
I still had us signing Tanaka though, that would take up around 10M. Then had us filling the void left by trading Kendrick, with signing Infante.
It's easy to see how little throughout those trades were.
The dodgers might not sign Gurrero, but there is no telling how interested the Dodgers really are in Kendrick, and if they would really give us Lee for him.
I really hope we do sign Tanaka.
I'm not that confident in green either, but that's what they said on the angels site, that green would be working at 3rd all through the off season
I just don't know if Arte is ready to spend another 70M+ on a player
You can thank my broken phone for that nugget of awesome btw.
Do you really think he learns his lesson, I think he follows the leader after seeing how much Darvish, Ryu, Puig and Cespedes have helped his rivals he goes all in for a third straight year.
I like him at third just as little as most others, but I think that will be the direction.
Last edited by ciaban; 10-03-2013 at 05:00 AM.
Edinson Volquez and
So, here is a "baker's dozen" group of names that could/should interest the Angels as potential starting rotation pitchers. FWIW..as a guess, Kazmir and Colon could be considered the Angels two top FA SP targets. Colon wouldn't be a long term deal...but, he would be 'expensive'. Kazmir, at his age, might be looking for a four of five year commitment. Either player would vastly improve the Angels starting staff, immediately.
W/R to Chris Perez.. the Angels may wait to see if the Indians stupidly non-tender him (this is IF the Indians fans who don't know any better get their way). The Indians would no doubt be willing to deal Chris Perez, but at a reasonable price, or possibly, as part of a package/multi-team deal.. The Indians seem to be making one of these kinds of deals every year, lately..
.It's looking increasingly likely that Angels second baseman Howie Kendrick will be traded for pitching or prospects. The Royals need second base help and would have interest. The Orioles may also be interested if they cut ties with Brian Roberts this winter. The O's haven't decided what to do with Roberts just yet but they wouldn't go beyond a one-year deal to keep him.