We knew this was coming...
We knew this was coming...
Last edited by viksalltheway!; 08-31-2013 at 03:09 PM.
And a ptbnl or cash.
I, for one, will miss Justin. He was my favorite of the current Twins. I got a chance to speak to him on several occasions was in the minors and found him to be a very humble, gracious guy.
Good luck, Justin. I hope you get your ring.
Last edited by catman; 08-31-2013 at 04:02 PM.
Wish all the best to Presley
NL HR Leader & NL MVP
Wow Morneau was cheap!
2 things here for me (besides knowing it was coming but starting to think maybe not as August was coming to a close)
1.) Why on earth would an outfielder be what we accept in trade?!! Of ALL the positions, isn't that by far our deepest?
2.) What are the chances we re-sign him in the offseason? I know the assumption is out there that he'll be more expensive than we'll want to spend on him...but is that from actual talks?
gotta love 'referential' treatment
I wish Justin well with Pittsburgh. But this trade was pretty terrible. The PTBNL is reportedly reliever Duke Welker, a 27-year-old career minor league pitcher. He throws hard which is good but he has control issues.
This is a rebuilding team, why is Ryan accepting a 27 and 28-year old in return for Morneau? This just clutters up the already muddled 40-man roster which is already littered with AAAA players. No return would have been better than this as far as I'm concerned. Now Aaron Hicks will not be recalled this September because Ryan will need to see/prove if his new outfielder can cut it. Now some other poor AAAA sap will lose his 40-man roster spot this offseason because the Twins rediculously traded away Morneau and his 1 spot and and took two more on in return.
Poor, poor trade. Looking at Pittsburgh's 40-man roster, Presley very likely would have been the player DFA'd to make room for Morneau anyway.
The Twins are currently playing Houston who feature no regulars over the age of 27 and have a pretty solid idea about which guys will be asked to contribute next year. The Twins currently only have 6 players 26 or under and have a mess of older AAAA'ers and declining vets everywhere on the roster. Ryan is seriously messing up this rebuild.
It's hard to imagine a world where us Twins fans would be happy with return on Morneau. From him and Mauer coming up and making an impact right away all the way to the concussion and his last few months finally playing well but in a losing season and highly paid. He was worth absolutely nothing in return. The irony is the PTBNL is better than the player traded forthright.
Welker will be on the twins roster as a promising reliever. And no, not a long reliever. Here are his AA and AAA stats for the past 3 years. (Yes, at age 25+ but regardless of age he is ready to pitch in the majors and contribute right now)
Around .25 HR/9 (for a reliever this is fairly important)
He's a pen arm with 0 service time. At best a setup guy - at worst a long reliever for a cheap 4-5 years. With 48 appearances in AAA this year I would say he was a go-to pen arm for his team? A pure guess on my part but that seems like quite a few appearances at first glance.
We all pictured Morneau as a long time contributor hitting .285 with 30-35 HR and 110+ RBI every season. Unfortunately that isn't what we got from him. I wish him the best of luck and would love to sign him in the off season but I don't see that as a likely option.
Mauer will probably move to 1st with our catching prospect (very good hitter) going behind the plate. I'm actually excited about this guy. So excited I can't remember his name at the moment... In all seriousness, though, he seems like he can handle a bat.
Josmil Pinto was the name I was looking for earlier. Check him out...
Glad to see he has already gotten 10 AB in the majors.
Pinto is not a great defensive catcher, but his bat should play well in the bigs. He has excellent strike-zone judgement (a natural trait for a catcher) and really good "gap" power. He should hit a lot of doubles. I could see him hitting about .290 with 10 homers and 75 RBI if he plays regularly for the Twins. He could hit 40 doubles, too and steal about 10 bases a year.
Would have liked it better if we had got some young guys that could climb the ladder but Presley will likely be our 4th outfielder and the P may help us in middle relief down the road.
I'm not sure the Twins want any more ladder climbers. Heck, I'm not even sure if Morneau had the value to bring that back... Presley will fill a strange gap between Hicks (if he doesn't get his **** together) and Buxton.
The Twins have plenty of outfielders that are pretty good, and a few that are very good. Buxton is a potential star. I'm not sure about Adam Walker at this time. He doesn't have the bat speed to hit a really good fastball, but he is very coachable and the guys will likely work with him on that. Oliva, Carew, Brunansky, Mientkiewicz, Molitor will have to work with him and he'll have to work very hard to get it together. I'm not ready to give up on Morales just yet, although he has dropped on the depth chart. Derreck Rodriguez is worth a look as well.