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    Does WAR determine awards?

    Just curious on everybody's perspective on this. Most people argue Mike Trout should be the MVP due to his astounding WAR. Contrary to that, a lot of people also vote Kershaw for Cy Young despite Harvey being better than him.

    Also, on a different standpoint, Andrelton Simmons has the highest WAR on the Braves due to his defense, most people would disagree with that statement. Again I'll repeat my question, should WAR be used to determine awards? Also, should defense be neutralized in the voting for MVP?

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    My apologies, the 'does' in the title should be changed to 'should'

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    Sure it should be considered, no they shouldn't remove defense from consideration of MVP (what kind of sense would that make?), and no WAR should not be relied upon for a 100% accurate representation of what a player did in a single year because it's too small of a sample size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    Sure it should be considered, no they shouldn't remove defense from consideration of MVP (what kind of sense would that make?), and no WAR should not be relied upon for a 100% accurate representation of what a player did in a single year because it's too small of a sample size.
    And there you go

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    WAR isn't an be-all and end-all stat, it's one of many that need to be considered when evaluating players.

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    Defense absolutely matters and should not be ignored. It's not hard to tell Trout is a better defender than Cabby. How much is less clear, but it appears to be a fairly large margin.
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    What about value?

    Exact same stats but one guy is costing 2m while the other guy is costing 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austeezy View Post
    What about value?

    Exact same stats but one guy is costing 2m while the other guy is costing 30
    Kind of irrelevant. The player doesnt totally control that.
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    WAr is a very good tool amongst many that should be used to determine the MVP. But It's not a magic number. a player with a higher WAR didn't automatically have a better year or was more valuable to their team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    Sure it should be considered, no they shouldn't remove defense from consideration of MVP (what kind of sense would that make?), and no WAR should not be relied upon for a 100% accurate representation of what a player did in a single year because it's too small of a sample size.

    Agreed. IMO no one thing should determine the award, whether it's WAR, RBI title, Triple Crown, or whatever. A player's entire body of work should be considered in the context of how valuable it was to his team in that particular season. The rub is always how to calculate "valuable" -- and if you try to encompass that in one stat and declare that the end of the argument, a lot of fun, interesting debate is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    Sure it should be considered, no they shouldn't remove defense from consideration of MVP (what kind of sense would that make?), and no WAR should not be relied upon for a 100% accurate representation of what a player did in a single year because it's too small of a sample size.
    And there ya go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    Sure it should be considered, no they shouldn't remove defense from consideration of MVP (what kind of sense would that make?), and no WAR should not be relied upon for a 100% accurate representation of what a player did in a single year because it's too small of a sample size.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    And there ya go.
    I have a question about the sample size. In determining how good a player played in one year there is only one year to consider... the performance for that year is actually not a sample at all. It's the population. I don't understand why sample size comes into it.

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    god i hope not
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    - First ignore stats and use the eye test
    - Second, what does the know invoke when you hear it
    - Lastly, look at all stats but think complete picture not just stats alone
    Last edited by PhillyFaninLA; 08-26-2013 at 12:12 PM.
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