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    PP and KG dealt

    Kevin Garnett has agreed to waive his no-trade clause, clinching an agreement on a trade that will land Paul Pierce, Garnett and Jason Terry with the Brooklyn Nets, sources close to the process told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard on Thursday night.

    Garnett waiving the no-trade clause was the last step to sealing the deal, sources said.

    No trade between the teams can officially be consummated until July 10 -- when a league-wide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted after free agency begins Monday -- but the teams made fast progress on finalizing the trade parameters.

    Brooklyn has agreed to send three first-round picks (2014, '16 and '18) along with Kris Humphries' expiring contract, Gerald Wallace, Tornike Shengelia, Reggie Evans and a sign-and-traded Keith Bogans to the Celtics for Pierce, Garnett and Terry, sources said.

    Yahoo! Sports reported the Nets have substituted Kris Joseph for Shengelia.

    By agreeing to add Terry to the trade, sources said, Brooklyn alleviated some of Boston's concerns about absorbing the remaining three years and $30 million on Wallace's contract.

    Because Pierce is making nearly $17 million this season, Brooklyn needs the deal to wait until after the start of free agency and the lifting of the moratorium on July 10, since the $15.3 million team option the Celtics had on their longtime captain is used in the trade.

    Nets general manager Billy King laughed when asked about the agreement in principle, but when asked if he could say anything about it, King replied, "Nothing."

    Mikhail Prokhorov backed up his bravado by landing Garnett and Pierce in a draft-night blockbuster, writes Ian O'Connor.

    With a proposed trade for Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, the Nets would boost the Celtics' future as Boston eyes the 2014 lottery, writes Tom Haberstroh. Story Insider

    • Forsberg: End of a Celtics era • Doolittle: Nets go all in Insider

    King repeatedly said he would not comment on the agreement.

    "Guys, honestly, I can't go any further than this. Honestly, you can ask all the questions. Honestly, I can't. At the time that it's appropriate, I will address it if possible, but at this time, I can't," King said.

    Sources told ESPN.com the Nets hatched the idea of trying to acquire both Boston stalwarts in the same deal because Pierce's inclusion was seen as the surest way to persuade Garnett to waive his no-trade clause.

    The addition of Garnett and Pierce to the trio of Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez would appear to give the Nets one of the most formidable rosters in the NBA under rookie coach Jason Kidd.

    Earlier this offseason, Boston denied the Nets permission to contact then-head coach Doc Rivers, who eventually left to coach the Los Angeles Clippers.

    "I knew it come coming," said Rivers of the blockbuster trade involving Garnett and Pierce. "Danny and I had talked about that over the last three or four weeks. I knew all this was going to happen. It's obviously sad whenever an era or time ends and it has now. That's the sad part."

    SportsNation: Celtics clean house

    The Celtics now are a team in transition looking to accelerate the rebuilding process by chasing draft picks and creating cap space.

    After news of the proposed trade, Sportsbook.com dropped the Nets' odds to win the NBA title from 50-1 to 25-1.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    BOSTON -- While the Doc Rivers drama dragged out over nearly two weeks, the Boston Celtics didn't waste much time diving into Phase 2 of their rebuilding process.

    Kevin Garnett and Gerald Wallace will be switching jerseys this summer.
    Sources told ESPN on Thursday that Boston and the Brooklyn Nets have agreed in principle on a blockbuster trade that will send Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry across the Atlantic Division in exchange for a package headlined by three first-round picks (2014, '16, '18), Kris Humphries and Gerald Wallace. No trade between the teams can officially be consummated until July 10, when a league-wide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted after free agency begins July 1.

    Where do we even begin? It's the end of an era in Boston. Not just these past six ultra-successful seasons since Garnett arrived, in which the Celtics ended a 22-year championship drought as the Big Three delivered Banner 17 in their first season together in 2008, but also Pierce's 15-year run with the team that drafted him.

    But having watched their coach head westward, there was no room for sentimentality as the Celtics look to expedite the next rebuilding process. How serious is Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge about speeding up this procedure? He is dealing Garnett and Pierce to an Atlantic Division rival, one he wouldn't even allow Rivers to interview with for Brooklyn's vacancy last month.

    We already told you how much you'll miss Garnett. He changed the culture in Boston and was the conscience of this team for the past six years. It seems almost impossible to imagine a Celtics team without Pierce on the floor, and it'll be tough for some to stomach the idea that Boston traded away its captain for what could be three late first-round picks.

    The Celtics will take on the $12 million expiring contract of Humphries and get a serviceable 28-year-old big man who averaged a double-double two seasons ago. Wallace has talent but also has a cringe-worthy contract (three years, $30.3 million remaining), and this is the second time he will have been traded in 15 months.

    Boston also is expected to take on Reggie Evans (a rebound-vacuuming big man whom the Celtics really could have used in recent seasons), Keith Bogans (a 10th-year swingman) and some younger bodies to make the money line up. Boston should trim somewhere around $7 million off its books in the deal alone, which will help keep it away from the luxury-tax line as the roster is reshaped.

    One thing Ainge made certain earlier: Phase 3 of this rebuild isn't likely to include shipping out Rajon Rondo. Ainge called him a centerpiece of the future and noted the team was not looking to trade him.

    But the Celtics will trade Pierce and Garnett. It's the end of an era.

    "I knew it was coming," Doc Rivers said of the blockbuster move. "Danny and I had talked about that over the last three or four weeks. I knew all this was going to happen. It’s obviously sad whenever an era or time ends, and it has now. That’s the sad part."


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    End of an Era. It was time to move on.

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    That's what the trade looked like yesterday, from what I've read it's changed a little bit. We get Brooks and Joseph, not Evans and Shengalia.

    No trade between the teams can officially be consummated until July 10 -- when a leaguewide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted after free agency begins Monday -- but the teams made fast progress on finalizing the trade parameters.

    Brooklyn has agreed to send three first-round picks (2014, '16 and '18) along with Kris Humphries' expiring contract, Gerald Wallace, Kris Joseph, MarShon Brooks and a sign-and-traded Keith Bogans to the Celtics for Pierce, Garnett and Terry, a source told Broussard.

    It was initially reported that Brooklyn had included Tornike Shengelia and Reggie Evans, but the source said that the Joseph and Brooks were in the final tally.
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    Heard they got brooks too
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    I know little about the player Boston supposedly will receive - are they bench fodder?

    I've read that Wallace's contract is a beast - at what point could he be amnestied?

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    I like this deal from the Celtics but from what I was reading in the other thread too many of you guys are reaching for a silver lining with Gerald Wallace. He sucks and is useless. He's a 30 year old whose game relies on athleticism and he has concussion issues. Playing him at SF blocks Jeff Green's development who we would be much better served giving playing time to either become a better piece for our future or in a trade. Play him at PF (which Wallace doesn't like because it puts him at more of a concussion risk) and you do the same thing to Sully development and take playing time away from Bass who has a better chance of netting something in a trade if he plays well. We traded two guys in their late 30s. We weren't going to get a perfect offer. We had to take on his terrible contract. I don't understand how an objective person can truly believe he'll provide any value other than as an expiring in 2 years. Obviously we can all hope for the best but it's not where the smart money should be betted.

    That being said, I like the deal for us. I don't see us being a major FA player until Wallace is up anyway. We need some time to build a young core that FAs would want to play with. And with our FA history even that doesn't guarantee we land a star.

    Roster reset right now as I understand it:

    Rajon Rondo/Terrence Williams
    Avery Bradley/Courtney Lee/Marshon Brooks/Jordan Crawford/Keith Bogans
    Jeff Green/Gerald Wallace/Kris Joseph
    Brandon Bass/Jared Sullinger/Kris Humphries
    Kelly Olynyk/Fab Melo/Colton Iverson

    plus the 2 UDFA PGs we signed (assuming non-guaranteed deals)

    I doubt Ainge is done trying to deal either. I like the start we're getting on the rebuild. Don't slowly tug at the bandage - tear that mother ****er off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I like this deal from the Celtics but from what I was reading in the other thread too many of you guys are reaching for a silver lining with Gerald Wallace. He sucks and is useless. He's a 30 year old whose game relies on athleticism and he has concussion issues. Playing him at SF blocks Jeff Green's development who we would be much better served giving playing time to either become a better piece for our future or in a trade. Play him at PF (which Wallace doesn't like because it puts him at more of a concussion risk) and you do the same thing to Sully development and take playing time away from Bass who has a better chance of netting something in a trade if he plays well. We traded two guys in their late 30s. We weren't going to get a perfect offer. We had to take on his terrible contract. I don't understand how an objective person can truly believe he'll provide any value other than as an expiring in 2 years. Obviously we can all hope for the best but it's not where the smart money should be betted.

    That being said, I like the deal for us. I don't see us being a major FA player until Wallace is up anyway. We need some time to build a young core that FAs would want to play with. And with our FA history even that doesn't guarantee we land a star.

    Roster reset right now as I understand it:

    Rajon Rondo/Terrence Williams
    Avery Bradley/Courtney Lee/Marshon Brooks/Jordan Crawford/Keith Bogans
    Jeff Green/Gerald Wallace/Kris Joseph
    Brandon Bass/Jared Sullinger/Kris Humphries
    Kelly Olynyk/Fab Melo/Colton Iverson

    plus the 2 UDFA PGs we signed (assuming non-guaranteed deals)

    I doubt Ainge is done trying to deal either. I like the start we're getting on the rebuild. Don't slowly tug at the bandage - tear that mother ****er off.
    I don't understand why you're so hung up on Wallace. He sucks, his contract sucks... but we got three first round picks out of the deal, and it couldn't have happened otherwise. Like you said, we aren't going to be spending on any big free agents the next two years, anyway, so Wallace is completely irrelevant. Hopefully we can trade him in his final year as an expiring contract. I haven't really seen a whole lot of the "silver lining" thing except for people saying pretty much exactly what both of us had said and the occasional delusional person who thinks that we can unload him this year- that isn't happening.

    He isn't far removed from being a good player, though, so anything is possible. I'm expecting him to suck just as much as he did last year in Brooklyn, but if he doesn't then all the better for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X12Celtics3 View Post
    I don't understand why you're so hung up on Wallace. He sucks, his contract sucks... but we got three first round picks out of the deal, and it couldn't have happened otherwise. Like you said, we aren't going to be spending on any big free agents the next two years, anyway, so Wallace is completely irrelevant. Hopefully we can trade him in his final year as an expiring contract. I haven't really seen a whole lot of the "silver lining" thing except for people saying pretty much exactly what both of us had said and the occasional delusional person who thinks that we can unload him this year- that isn't happening.

    He isn't far removed from being a good player, though, so anything is possible. I'm expecting him to suck just as much as he did last year in Brooklyn, but if he doesn't then all the better for us.
    I like the trade. When the rumors first came out I was the first on here to suggest expanding it to include Terry. I've seen a lot of posters here too optimistic on Wallace though IMO. People are trying to justify taking him back as having some value. It doesn't. We don't even need his expiring deal in 2 years because the only reason we have to match salaries then is because he's signed - otherwise we'd have the cap space to just absorb the money without matching. I don't view any aspect of taking Wallace back as positive. It's just something we had no choice but to deal with because we're dealing 35+ year olds instead of young stars. Good deal for us but there's a huge negative component to it and I've seen enough people trying to spin it as a positive that I felt like commenting on it. All I'm saying. I still think it's worth it for us because we're getting a great package. 3 first round picks and there were multiple rumors of teams being willing to give a late 1st for Brooks. All the other plays are either low money or expiring.


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    I'd be pretty pumped if we got Marshon back.....he could be our SG of the future. He has a ton of potential. Pretty good trade here for us. 4 first round picks by getting rid of Doc, Terry, KG, and PP. The 2016 and 2018 picks could be intriguing
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    Quote Originally Posted by corky831 View Post
    I'd be pretty pumped if we got Marshon back.....he could be our SG of the future. He has a ton of potential. Pretty good trade here for us. 4 first round picks by getting rid of Doc, Terry, KG, and PP. The 2016 and 2018 picks could be intriguing
    2014 is intrguging as well, we get nets pick from atlanta(assuming atlanta has worse record then nets). With josh smith leaving they will be worse, we could be looking at a top 10 pick there, on top of our pick next season, we could be landing 2 top 10's in a very deep draft.

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    I'm pretty sure we get the later of BRK or ATL's pick. ATL has the right to switch w/ NJ I believe.


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    This will only be the beginning as far as trades... Lots of movable guys for future trades... Love It...!!! Love It...!!!

    All we need now is a #1 pick from the bunch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I'm pretty sure we get the later of BRK or ATL's pick. ATL has the right to switch w/ NJ I believe.
    incorrect we get the higher draft pick

    edit nvm saw two different reports one says we get the choice one says atlanta does

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