Discuss information regarding our off season in this thread!
Discuss information regarding our off season in this thread!
"Simple rule: Only losers blame refs." - Seth Davis
Welp. It's officially the off-season. Couldn't be more proud of the way this team made it to the ECF, Hibbert's emergence, and PG's development. But now, we must look ahead. Let us use this thread to have original discussion (please avoid just posting trade ideas in here, i want quality discussion). Everyone can post their ideas for the off-season to do list, but I'll go ahead and give my top 3 priorities...
1) Re-sign David West.
He stated he wants back with this quote from the presser
I think we'll see a similar deal around 2 years and $18-20 million.David West on his future: "I'm not (beeping) dumb, I don't plan on going anywhere. These are my guys."
2) Improve the bench.
This is a big one. We were probably the worse bench team in the league. There was a significant lack of consistency from some poor FA signings. The guys we brought in this off-season...Gerald Green flat out stunk. DJ Augustine was cold more often than not. Sam Young doesn't deserve any time. Ian Mahimni was serviceable, but giving up Darren Collison to get him kinda hurt as we saw the lack of a solid backup PG really hurt us. Psycho T is who he is - he's a hustler. The NBA talent is not that great, but he gets the other team riled up real quick and that's something having on this team has been great. Orlando Johnson has some promise, I'm excited to see him for next season as I think he could earn a solid 10 minutes a game as long as his development continues.
IMO, out of that group, I think the only locks to remain on the roster are OJ and Mahimni. Sam Young and DJ are unrestricted FA's, would be SHOCKED if they returned. Gerald Green I would love to see be moved with our first rounder for a solid 6th man, but it's going to be hard trying to get people to take his contract.
Basically, Pritchard messed up this year with the bench. I think it was better this year, but overall they underperformed big time. I thought the Gerald Green signing was a bust to begin with, but really the one I'm most disappointed with was Augustine. I was expecting big things from him being on a 1 year prove it deal, but he just **** a brick. It will be interesting to see what happens with Lance Stephenson if he gets bumped to the bench (would help) with Granger coming back, which leads me to my next point...
3. Keep Granger unless a ridiculous deal comes on the table.
These guys talk about keeping the chemistry together. I think having him for the start of next season is necessary. We saw at times PG's jump shot/mid range game was inconsistent - he is one of the best at attacking the rim and finishing. Put that next to Danny being a shooter and you have a pretty freaking good combo next year.
Those are my 3 points. Another story line to follow throughout the season is what happens to Brian Shaw.
Anyways, great season. Wish we coulda made the finals, but we keep getting closer each year.
haha we think alike
Bench scoring pls
YOU TRIED HARD MIAMI
This has to be the offseason Shaw leaves us right?
Interesting Article on West wanting to remain a pacer.
David West said Monday that he plans to re-sign with the Pacers when he becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer.
“That’s something I’ll sit down and discuss,” West said, after Indiana’s 99-76 loss to Miami in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals. “This is my group. These are my guys. I can’t see myself going anywhere else. We’re the second-best team in the Eastern Conference, one of the top four teams in the league, in my estimation.”
After spending the first eight years on his career with the Hornets, West signed a two-year, $20 million deal with the Pacers in Dec. 2011. After a bit of a down year in 2011-12 as he bounced back from a knee injury that ended his 2010-11 season, West had an All-Star caliber season this year and helped lead the Pacers to the Eastern Conference finals for the first time since 2004. The other four Pacers starters — George Hill, Paul George, Roy Hibbert and Lance Stephenson — are all under contract for next season, as is All-Star forward Danny Granger, who missed most of the season and all of the 2013 postseason with a knee injury.
“This group is a solid group,” West continued. “Gives me as an individual the best chance to accomplish the goals that I have left in terms of my future, and that’s competing at this stage of the game every single year from here on out.”
The two-time All-Star finished with 14 points (on 6-for-15 shooting) and six rebounds in Game 7 and said that he expected the Pacers’ goal in 2013-14 to be the same as the goal for this season: defeat the Heat.
“I’m looking forward to seeing what this group looks like in three months,” West said. “Again, we’ve got the same goals we had last summer. Our only focus is going to be to beat Miami. I mean, that’s what it was at the beginning of the year, and I don’t see that changing in the foreseeable future.”
The Point Forward’s Rob Mahoney recently ranked West as the No. 3 big man in the 2013 class behind Lakers center Dwight Howard and Hawks forward Josh Smith.
"Simple rule: Only losers blame refs." - Seth Davis
Offseason priorities at least IMO in this order:
1) Sign David West....no explanation needed.
2) Get production out of Granger's roster spot and salary.
It could be Granger playing or moving him for a couple pieces (and hopefully dump Green's contract in the deal). I'm not ready to take a stance either way on this, but I do know we can't have 14 million in cap space spent on someone who doesn't play. I see a good argument for both sides:
The side to move him includes his valuable contract expiring the same year that LBJ has an opt out clause, plus we might be able to package Green alongside and dump his contract....not to mention the worst of the CBA taxes have started...so any team looking to dump cap after this year would be interested in him. Could probably get a pick and maybe a couple role players in return and either upgrade the starting 2 or the bench at any position, which is much needed. Also if he comes back where will he play? Start at the 3 with PG moving back to the 2? Come off the bench? It is going to be expensive and hard to get DG and PG together and playing to their strengths.
The side to keep him argument could basically start and end with "it is freaking Danny Granger." If healthy he may not be an all star, but he will be close. If healthy he adds scoring, rebounding, defense, toughness and veteran leadership....and we all get to see if we were correct that if DG is your 2nd or 3rd...or maybe even 4th best player (with the roster we currently have) you have a championship team.
Again I'm not sold either way and we may not know which way this goes until the trade deadline next season....but a lot of it hinges on what DG is willing to do and if that includes possibly coming off the bench, and/or if he is going to want to bolt for more $ or if he is going to take a huge pay cut after this year....along with what is (or isn't) offered for him will also go a long way to decide what we do. There is also how he meshes with the team and not being the focus of the offense if he stays until the season starts.
3) Replace Brian Shaw
While my list may look similar to others on here until now....most will not even think about this and many outside looking in don't even realize the impact he had on guys like Lance and PG. I see 0 chance Shaw doesn't see at least one offer, and it is going to be a tough task to fill his shoes. We have to find someone that has been there and done that...and had to do it with his BBall IQ and not just his athleticism. Vogel is a good X's and O's guy, but sometimes players look toward a guy that has been there for guidance. Since I like our old guys maybe Byron Scott would take a job with us, probably not as an assistant, but he was just fired from Cleveland and might be thinking no one is going to look at him as a HC for a couple years and this would be a great place to get back on a winning staff at a place that loves it's old players (or is that just me)...and I just remembered that Chuck Person is without a job and was also on the Lakers staff with Shaw for a couple years....I would love to see the old Rifleman on the sidelines again .
If I'm wrong and Shaw either doesn't get or doesn't like any of his offers I'll be thrilled...but I'm expecting the worst.
4) Improve the Bench
4b) Dump Green's contract anywhere they can
I really wish we could swap contracts between Lance and Green. Give Green the 800k he probably doesn't even deserve and Lance the 3.5m for 2 more he earned this year. I think we could easily end up with Lance as our 6th depending on if Granger stays and how we work our roster if he gets moved. If Lances ends up our 6th man our bench looks a lot better by that alone...and hopefully an improved Pulp, and maybe even a Plumlee who pushes for a minute or two we can improve internally at a couple positions.
We also need to get someone at the point that can defend and score off the bench hopefully with some size and being able to push the ball up the floor with Lance....maybe a Jerryd Bayless type. He can opt out this year.....We drafted and immediately traded him in the Rush/Jack/McBob trade....and Pritchard was the guy that wanted him in Portland that made the trade. I admit I don't know much beyond that other than he had some nice games for a very similar team in Memphis, but it all comes down on a guy like him to if we can dump Green's contract. Bayless was just off the top of my head, I'm sure there will be others but wouldn't mind scooping him up at the right price.
I am really lookin forward to this off-season! West will be back guaranteed. Shaw becoming a head coach is nearly guaranteed. I think that would give us a great opportunity to sell Lance high, and give Shaw a young SG to start on his team in exchange for a first round pick. With 2 first rounders I would be dreaming to say we could move up to #4 and snag Vic Oladipo. Maybe we could even sell Chuck'em to Jordan?? I like the idea of replacing Shaw with Byron Scott. Hopefully he can come in and fix the turnover problems that this team needs to improve. This may ruffle some feathers but I think the organization might be regretting the George Hill extension a bit. I don't think we trade him yet but he is on notice and we need a PG that can create offense without turning the ball over. I would welcome AJ Price back as an improvement of Augustine for much less money. A healthy DG33 would be the best addition this team could ask for. Who cares who plays SG or SF they are two great players that will learn how to play together. If we keep Lance he would really help the second unit and still average 20+ minutes solving a lot of our bench problems. Whatever happens my shades are on cause the Pacers future is bright!
Couple things...I think Granger will start at the three, PG at the 2...with Lance off the bench. This fixes some of the bench scoring issues.
I would like to see a PG drafted or signed...one that can slash, get to the rim and score. The back court rotation needs more scoring even with lance off the bench. Preferably not undersized...Honestly, I wouldn't hate taking a look at Mario Chalmers if at all possible. (has a team option)
Obviously resign David West. I think he gives us toughness, post scoring, and tends to come up big when we need him. If for some reason, we can't resign West (he wants too much money) I would target Carl Landry (has a player option) as a cheaper, albeit less productive replacement.
Other ideas for FA targets:
Greg Oden: could be a great 10-15 min back up center if healthy...reports look good and i think he still likes Indy
Jermaine O'Neal: Same as Oden.
Paul Millsap: More expensive replacement if West leaves.
Emeka Okafor: (Early termination option) could also work as a back up center. solid defense/rebounding
JJ Redick: Just because it would be fun to have him and Psycho T on the same team. Oh, and scoring off the bench.
Jarrett Jack: Same kind of toughness that reminds of me West. Bigger PG, a gamer. Probably will resign w/ GS.
Just some thoughts....
I think one of our bigger needs is a shooter or two. When either George or Hill(or both) sits we really lose flexibility. Those stretches of this series when we had Lance/Young/Augustin out there was really just hard to watch. It is so easy to stop that. It would help to add a "super 6th man" or we can just...you know...add balance to the unit.
Also as someone pointed out....can we please have a backup point guard that can actually handle the ball comfortably? When Collison was on the team it made Hill look like a shaky handler...this Miami series it was dangerous to sit him for a small stretch. Miami's guards were able to apply so much pressure and we couldn't start any offense until 11 or 12 secs were left on the shot clock. Not a winning back court formula.
Sign Calderon. He along with granger and an improving oj should vastly improve the bench
Offseason moves we should make
1) Resign David West 4yr/$36 mil
2) Chuck Person Asst head coach
3) Sign Rodrigue Beaubois or Darren Collison MLE 3mil a year (dallas wont keep both of them)
4) Sign J. O'neal MLE 2 mil a year
5) Try to trade Mahinmi for second rd pick this draft or next
6) Dont resign Ben Hansbrough, Pendegrafh
7) Draft CJ Leslie, and BJ young (Wingspan crazy for these two prospects, fits our team well)
The Point Guard Situation: Would love to have Jack, but not sure we can afford him. I wouldn't mind Calderon. I would really like to try and get Devin Harris, but who knows how much he is looking to make. We could use a little bit more of a veteran presence so Billups might be good as a last option if we miss out on the other guys I mentioned.
Scorer/Shooter: We also need a shooter. I would like to see how Orlando develops, but I don't think we should just count on him to make a big leap. We need to get a guy like Korver or Reddick this off-season.
Others: Wouldn't mind bringing back Jermaine for a year or two. I don't think we should re-sign Tyler and JO and Mahimni up front would be a nice backup front-court.
The Assistant Coach Situation: If for some reason the other front offices of the league are dumb enough to keep passing up on B. Shaw it will be time for a new assistant coach. I would like to see a guy with some head coaching experience or a former player who can relate to the players.
Basically other than any players we draft I would like to bring in veterans who know how to win especially since Shaw is most likely leaving.
Last edited by PacersForLife; 06-06-2013 at 09:00 PM.
Not gonna happen. No way in hell. Nada. Zilch. RT @dcgin What do you think of bringing Chuck Person back to the Pacers as an Assistant?
Also - article excerpt on Tyler Hansbrough...if anything, this means he's gone. He's gonna look for much better minutes and IMO ask for $3M/year...I doubt he gets that here with our need to re-sign West and find a PG
http://blogs.pacers.com/2013/06/06/d...rd-for-pacers/“Minutes are a big issue,” Hansbrough said. “I want to be a big contributor to a team somewhere. If it’s here or somewhere else, we’ll see what happens. I got to talk some things over with some people.”
The 6-9, 250 pound forward, known for his non-stop motor and physical play inside, appeared in all 81 games this season for the Pacers, starting eight of those. In the games he came off the bench, he averaged 6.2 points and four rebounds in less than 16 minutes per game.
“I feel like I had a pretty good year,” he said. “Stepped up when guys were down and played a big role off the bench. … I feel like I did a pretty good job when my number was called.”