The Stats Behind the National TV Rondo

[unwantedplayer]

http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpre...tually-exists/

Nothing that we didn't know already. Good read though.

[Corey]

If only he could play with consistency.

[bagwell368]

If only he could play with consistency.

He came closest in 2008-2010. He's fallen off since then, even though most Celts fans don't want to admit it.

[Bird Fan]

He came closest in 2008-2010. He's fallen off since then, even though most Celts fans don't want to admit it.

I do! He needs to grow up. He's gotta start acting like a leader or he's gone next year.

[bagwell368]

The way people feel about him - "Rondo right or wrong!" "If you're against him, you're not a true Celtic fan!"

is sort of like saying: My mother - drunk or sober

I love the laundry, but I call out the weaknesses of the people in the organization - because I want them to be better. Blind loyalty isn't for me. It leads to weakening the clarity of the mind.

[Rain City]

we all know rondo is a polarizing topic and almost forces a love or hate emotion. when he was healthy i was one of the few on the fence/tortured about his value. i see the glaring defeciency (shooting), inexpleciable lapses, mistakes, but i also see the incredible vision, rebounding, and gritty performances.

i hate to say this but now that he is out i think bags opinions have been about spot on. we are playing a brand of basketball minus rondo that is much better, and the record is proof. i even take away credit of what he did the last 3 playoff runs, sure he was great and we advanced far but if we had an average player take his place something tells me we woulda been forced to play a style that would have helped the team as a hole and done just as well or better. THe amazing thing is, we are winning more now and we lost a very valuable backup too! (barbosa). Think about how much better we could be with the different options out there to replace rondo...

i think the point that bags drives that also ends it for me... what other team has been led to a championship by such an erratic/inconsistent player? guys that are key players on championship teams bring the same effort every night, they improve on their weaknesses, and they actually make the team better. this article shows how impressive rondo can be individually on a big stage vs great teams. but this stretch since he has been out is telling us he isn't and prolly never has been vital to this teams success. thats the enigma w/ rondo, hes the selfish, unselfish player.

[bagwell368]

we all know rondo is a polarizing topic and almost forces a love or hate emotion. when he was healthy i was one of the few on the fence/tortured about his value. i see the glaring defeciency (shooting), inexpleciable lapses, mistakes, but i also see the incredible vision, rebounding, and gritty performances.

i hate to say this but now that he is out i think bags opinions have been about spot on. we are playing a brand of basketball minus rondo that is much better, and the record is proof. i even take away credit of what he did the last 3 playoff runs, sure he was great and we advanced far but if we had an average player take his place something tells me we woulda been forced to play a style that would have helped the team as a hole and done just as well or better. THe amazing thing is, we are winning more now and we lost a very valuable backup too! (barbosa). Think about how much better we could be with the different options out there to replace rondo...

i think the point that bags drives that also ends it for me... what other team has been led to a championship by such an erratic/inconsistent player? guys that are key players on championship teams bring the same effort every night, they improve on their weaknesses, and they actually make the team better. this article shows how impressive rondo can be individually on a big stage vs great teams. but this stretch since he has been out is telling us he isn't and prolly never has been vital to this teams success. thats the enigma w/ rondo, hes the selfish, unselfish player.

I'm sorry to read this. I had him like most of us did on a high trajectory in 2008-2010. But that promise seems to have evaporated. I even got into arguments about him being n a HOF trajectory back then.

Maybe he has it in him, maybe the days and months off will give him perspective and steady his will. But I'll have to see it demonstrated before I believe it.

[Bird Fan]

The way people feel about him - "Rondo right or wrong!" "If you're against him, you're not a true Celtic fan!"

is sort of like saying: My mother - drunk or sober

I love the laundry, but I call out the weaknesses of the people in the organization - because I want them to be better. Blind loyalty isn't for me. It leads to weakening the clarity of the mind.

Very good read. I like the direction. Nice post!

[Rain City]

hes got to be able to knock down the jumper. i watched alot of gary payton back in the day. he was erratic too, borderline coach killer, bad outside shooter. he matured and found a pretty deadly outside jumper, didnt have 3 range, but teams couldnt just play off him, had we not run into the 72 win Bulls that team wins a championsip.

thats why we are better offensively now, we are a much better shooting team w/ rondo off the floor. they emphasize ball movement get the D to move and a shooter gets a good look if they dont score in the paint. not to mention the FT% ... i dont see us missing rondo's D either.

[Bird Fan]

we all know rondo is a polarizing topic and almost forces a love or hate emotion. when he was healthy i was one of the few on the fence/tortured about his value. i see the glaring defeciency (shooting), inexpleciable lapses, mistakes, but i also see the incredible vision, rebounding, and gritty performances.

i hate to say this but now that he is out i think bags opinions have been about spot on. we are playing a brand of basketball minus rondo that is much better, and the record is proof. i even take away credit of what he did the last 3 playoff runs, sure he was great and we advanced far but if we had an average player take his place something tells me we woulda been forced to play a style that would have helped the team as a hole and done just as well or better. THe amazing thing is, we are winning more now and we lost a very valuable backup too! (barbosa). Think about how much better we could be with the different options out there to replace rondo...

i think the point that bags drives that also ends it for me... what other team has been led to a championship by such an erratic/inconsistent player? guys that are key players on championship teams bring the same effort every night, they improve on their weaknesses, and they actually make the team better. this article shows how impressive rondo can be individually on a big stage vs great teams. but this stretch since he has been out is telling us he isn't and prolly never has been vital to this teams success. thats the enigma w/ rondo, hes the selfish, unselfish player.

My father once told me this, " Son, to be great at something/ anything you got to love the grind. The great ones love work. The great realtors, bankers, builders and doctors. They all apply themselfs to their craft. "

The grind takes all your extra time, energy, effort, ability and yet so many want it but are unwilling to do what it takes to get it.


Never more true those words are to Rondo....Not sure if Rondo loves the grind.......

[Rain City]

My father once told me this, " Son, to be great at something/ anything you got to love the grind. The great ones love work. The great realtors, bankers, builders and doctors. They all apply themselfs to their craft. "

The grind takes all your extra time, energy, effort, ability and yet so many want it but are unwilling to do what it takes to get it.


Never more true those words are to Rondo....Not sure if Rondo loves the grind.......

your pops sounds like a smart man, i believe in that hole heartedly.... Gary Payton was a man that loved the grind, very conditioned, guys like KJ, hardaway, kidd he would lock down defensively and still had the energy to be a #1 option.

GP couldnt shoot coming in, as he matured and developed there were spots from the outside where GP didnt miss. if rondo could find a couple outside spots that he could consistently knock down the J he'd be a much better player, and help the team immensely. hes got to grind and put in the work to add that tho.

[bagwell368]

I think Rondo loves the grind - as he defines it.

He's very moody and single minded - so he loves it on his terms. He's frustrated his coaches since he was a Freshman in college. He's frustrated his only GM. All to the point of public comment. Coach K didn't publicly comment on him over Team USA but was said to be quite upset with him.

I'm not sure about the past few years, but his first 4 years here, he wouldn't practice his foul shooting using the mechanics they wanted him to use, or the amount of reps/day they wanted him to practice.

In short he's a diva. When plugged in and intense - he's right near the top. But when he's disengaged - which is way too often, about 7x too much disengaged for a "designated" team leader.

As for his D? In the playoffs he can be pretty fierce but the past two seasons in the regular season unless it was one of the 6-7 guards he respects or wants to outplay to prove he's better - meh. Passive, trys for a few steals, but, fundamentally doesn't work, isn't on the guy, isn't even in a decent low stance to react. Matador/lazy minded/passive emotionally... awful to watch.

If he had a killer mind set like the all time greats, he'd be a great of this era. However his current trajectory has him being mentioned 20 years from now as a "what if"? And what's even worse - zero titles in his reign as team leader - however long that turns out to be.

[EastCoastDodger]

I'd like to give my 2 cents on the topic of Rondo and wether he makes the team better or worse. I watch every Celtics game and I've played basketball my whole life (actually I've played the point guard position for 40 years in a row now and still counting). I know that doesn't mean anything but I just wanted to show that I do know a little about the game and the position. First of all, I am a Rondo fan because I think when he wants he can be the best player on the floor in any game. Not a lot of players can do that. BUT, after seeing how the Celtics have played with and without him I've come to the conclusion that with the current roster that the Celtics have they may be better off without him. If you notice when Pierce, Garnett and Bass are in the game it is more of a half court game on offense which suits those guys better but doesn not play to the strengths of Rondo. A guard who is a spot up shooter and gets open for Pierce and Garnett to find them when they get double teamed is more of what they need (a.k.a. Ray Allen last year). I think in the future though when PP and KG are gone and we have all younger, faster, athletic guys on this team that just want to run (Bradley, Lee, Green, Wilcox, etc.) Rondo will be able to play to his strengths which is fast break, pass, and get to the rim. NO ONE can stay with Rondo in the open court. When he has had his big games he has taken the ball to the rim and taken over games even when the other team knew he was trying to do that and they still couldn't stop him. My opinion is hold onto Rondo, next year gradually give PP and KG less minutes and the up and comers more minutes and this team will be very tough to beat. In the game against the Heat the Celtics played their best when PP was on the bench (and KG didn't play) and they were running circles around the Heat players. Slowing the game down plays into the hands of PP and KG only. Speeding it up benefits the rest of the guys on the team. Ok, there's my 2 cents....maybe three.

[bagwell368]

^ I'll give him more credit for skill than you did. I think he can play up-tempo easily. He has to want to buy into Doc's coaching. Rondo has more and more built his own little fiefdom in the PG area - outside of Doc's direct control. Doc said himself the past two years that Rondo and him used to butt heads, but after, that they didn't because Rondo was like a Coach. Sounds like a frustrated Coach that decided he'd get more out of someone if he let him go off and do his own thing. That's the whole prima donna thing again.

I hope he gets hit between the eyes with wisdom and maturity during his days away from the court.

[CELTICS4LYFE]

Man talk about putting the ball on a tee for bags lol

Yes, he does need to play more consistant but can you really knock him for getting up for big games??

Next year will be a defining year in his career, lets see if he can come back from that injury n adjust his play.