Your Top 5 Option for Pick # 19

[cowboyskilla]

Hey fellas, some of us have some strong opinions on who the Giants should take at 19, and some of us don't.....we basically know this draft is supplying few studs, but does offer plenty of depth for each positions...well we know for sure there are some major holes for the Giants to address - CB, OL, LB (especially MLB), DT, and even DE.....know there are some solid looking players that could fall to the Giants, and there can be some scenarios where the Giants might draft someone differently with pick # 19...they could go corner, OT, MIKE, DT, DE, etc...now, in a possible, realistic scenario, name the top 5 prospects who you would like to see get up from their chair and put a new era blue cap on with the "ny" sign on it IF they are available, with #1 being the player you think the Giants should take hands down, and with #5 being th guy you would take if options 1, 2, 3, or 4 are not available and/or have been taken before pick # 19....I hope this thread becomes successful and we all have a great debate with one another! TO kickoff, I'll start with my top 5 options for the Giants to pull the trigger:

1) Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida St. - A big 6'1 corner who can press , ran a fast 40 (4.45) can def. play the run, and has looked to be a corner solid enough to start opposite of Prince...I say he has to be the primary option for the Giants to take in a tough decision with number 2, but I feel confident this is the safest pick the Giants can make.... draft profile: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...des?id=2540155 and scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw9oHp46Yqs

2) D.J. Fluker, RT, Alabama - What can I say? An aggressive tackle who gives his all, especially in run blocking...can be inconsistent, but he's a solid starter the Giants can't afford to miss as well...if Rhodes isn't available.... draft profile: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...ker?id=2540166 and scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq5qWkGC0w

3) Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia - Now this kid has his troubles....but he's the most athletic MLB available, can cover well, and can play the run decent (if he used his hands instead of his shoulders to elude blocks, he would have been a better run defender, but a good team like the Giants will coach him up well) I don't like the feeling of taking him high either, as he kind of reminds me of an Arron Curry, or a Le'ron McClain (I can't believe how bad I wanted that guy ), but for some reason, I don't think this will hurt the giants more than it will benefit them, because the worst that could happen is that the kid gets move to OLB and ends up playing sideline to sideline with his speed, probably playing opposite Jaquan Williams, but this guy can't be ignored if both Rhodes and Fluker have been taken before pick 19... draft profile: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...ree?id=2540143 and scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZy_y0on4u8

4) Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M - Now this kid, besides a terrible scouting combine, is a hybrid that has the combination of football speed and strength (noticed how I said "football") and has more than one pass-rush technique (sorry Osi), having the ability to bull rush, get around the edge, and arm swipe his way to the QB. Now this kdi could use some improvement with his hand skills, but who else besides the Giants that can turn a raw player into a defensive end stud (JPP)...I like to have this guy as either my surprise or under-the-radar option, but either way, he'll be tough to pass on with the 19th pick.... draft profile: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...ore?id=2540138 and scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VF1vkiKFo

and finally....

5) Manti Te'o, MLB, Notre Dame - ....has some red flags on it....has some character issues....has a long way to get back after a disappointing scandal, Scouting Combine, and BCS Championship performance....but that shouldn't completely shadow his consistent success through the couple seasons he has spent with the Fighting Irish.....I'm not completely writing him off my list...and I'm sure JR isn't either.... draft profile: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...27o?id=2539277 and scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bij34pztFEE

Alright, I spent a decent 30 mins. of my life trying to construct a decent thread, hopefully it gets enough love to avoid the TERRIFYING ABYSS OF RANDOMNESS.......I hope to get feedback from you guys, and I LOVE some counter-arguments (Gmenfansince90, I hope you criticize the hell out of me lol) because I am still a young football fan that is willing to learn from other fans and the awesome vets here as well of their opinions to become a better and more intelligent New York Giants fan....BIG BLUE FOREVEA!!!!

[GMenFanSince90]

I don't know enough about the prospects. It's also hard to say what's realistic as well since some guys have huge question marks and the mocks I've seen have guys falling way down.

#1 Chance Warmack (if he falls)
#2 Fluker
#3 Ziggy (if he falls)
#4 Rhodes (Although I'd rather trade back 5-10 spots)
#5 Star Lou (Would only be if he has a condition. Depending on his condition I'd still consider him).

Ogletree translates to a will backer to me and imo we have him on our roster already in Jacquan who has been impressive. Manti will slide to the 2nd I'm sure, unless he puts on a huge pro day which I really doubt. Not getting a good vibe from this guy.

Rhodes gets pushed around on every play even by wr's. His lateral movement seems sluggish (stiff hips?) but his coverage skills are very strong from the little bit that I've seen. He's got great timing and leaping ability.

[RCSownsU]

Not to sound like a dick but don't we already have a sticky draft thread?

[cowboyskilla]

I don't know enough about the prospects. It's also hard to say what's realistic as well since some guys have huge question marks and the mocks I've seen have guys falling way down.

#1 Chance Warmack (if he falls)
#2 Fluker
#3 Ziggy (if he falls)
#4 Rhodes (Although I'd rather trade back 5-10 spots)
#5 Star Lou (Would only be if he has a condition. Depending on his condition I'd still consider him).

Ogletree translates to a will backer to me and imo we have him on our roster already in Jacquan who has been impressive. Manti will slide to the 2nd I'm sure, unless he puts on a huge pro day which I really doubt. Not getting a good vibe from this guy.

Rhodes gets pushed around on every play even by wr's. His lateral movement seems sluggish (stiff hips?) but his coverage skills are very strong from the little bit that I've seen. He's got great timing and leaping ability.

I hope this help get a knowledge of the prospects you picked:

#1 Chance Warmack scout video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYVkEOzZkEM
#2 D.J. Fluker scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq5qWkGC0w
#3 Ziggy Ansah scout video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFYELG3ItAk
#4 Xavier Rhodes scout video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw9oHp46Yqs
#5 Star Loutuleilei scout video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-NvKnZzvw

I think of the same for Ogletree, but does it hurt to have two Jaquan Williams? I still think this guy couldd have the chance to play a 4-3 Linebacker....look at the way he plays on block...he never uses hsi FREAKING HANDS it's frustrating cuz he can be a better run defender...but I think the Giants coaching staff would know what to do with him, but it's a shame that I forgot about Loutuleilei..I hope it's not a serious condition,a nd if we have him at 19, then I'd make him my #5 option instead of Te'o

[cowboyskilla]

Not to sound like a dick but don't we already have a sticky draft thread?

You don't sound like one and I understand, but I wanted to be more specific and this thread could last for a while in my opinion.....it's just like making a top 5 mock option for the 19th pick...in a way...ya feel me? aanyways can you at least give it a try RCS? please?

[krisxsong]

If Damontre Moore is there, you jump all over that kid.

Moore
Fluker
Ogletree
Rhodes
Teo

Of the 5 guys you named, that's my order

[Giants-NL-3]

It's hard to say. CB, LB, OT & DT are imo the most important holes in our roster but I think it would be unrealistic that our first 4 draft picks would be able to close that hole immediately... So imo it's about which of these 4 positions can be adressed cheaply in FA and the other 3 should be our first 3 draft picks this year. So that's why it's hard to say what should be our picks, because i don't know what FA will bring but for now I'd go for a Ogletree. I'm not a college-watching guy so i'm not really an expert but I watched a couple of youtube-movies on him and I think he could be very solid for us

[NYGTom]

I've been sticking to Rhodes the whole offseason. It's our most needed position and the dude has some ups! He can reeeeally make a nice play on the ball.

[Joker117]

Rhodes then Ogletree bc of the troubles for Alec O. And the depth at CB I'm praying to get them 2nd thn 3rd (AO being 3rd)

But I want a defensive playmaker with proper height , speed ect that lite players usually have so hides/Ogletree are my top picks nd I lost confidence in Teo , think we need to address DE but there's lot of thm too , tough.

[GMenFanSince90]

If Damontre Moore is there, you jump all over that kid.

Moore
Fluker
Ogletree
Rhodes
Teo

Of the 5 guys you named, that's my order

Isn't Moore the one that's incapable of pushing his own weight, was slow, terrible bench press, etc...?

[True Blue]

Fluker is not the sexy pick, but its the right pick, unless someone unexpected falls to us, also frees us up to cut Diehl, and save that 4 mil for other areaa

[lvlheaded]

1. Ogletree- LB has been a revolving door of mediocrity for too long. The off the field issues don't worry me since he's be coming to the Giants. I love this kid. If he's there, he's my pick.

2. Rhodes- We definitely need some help in the secondary. I like Rhodes and Banks, but I don't think Banks will be there, so Rhodes it is as my second option.

3. Fluker/Warmack- I'm fully aware Warmack probably won't be there at 19, which is why he's 3rd on the list. If he's there, you take him cause chances are he's the best value at that spot. As for Fluker, he can definitely be an anchor on the right side, but I feel like OL aren't always ready as rookies. He falls to 3 for me because we have a championship window with Eli an the 2 guys ahead of him can help now. I'd rather address the OL in FA.

4. Vaccaro- another guy who may be there and may not, I love this kid. He's gonna be a very good safety for a very long time.

5. Eifert- I can't believe no one has even mentioned Eifert. I know some mocks have him going second round but he's a first round talent. He's my trade back pick. I have a feeling Bennett is gonna be gone and we need to stop burning through TE. Drafting Eifert helps stabilize the postion. If we trade back in the 1st, I like Eifert for us

[GMenFanSince90]

Fluker is not the sexy pick, but its the right pick, unless someone unexpected falls to us, also frees us up to cut Diehl, and save that 4 mil for other areaa

Yeah it makes too much sense and that's what I've been saying. Brewer goes back to being the backup and apparently can slide into the guard position if we can't get Boothe resigned (or protects us if he gets injured, etc...). Pick up a decent guard and draft one and cut Diehl. Hell cutting Diehl would free up the money to pay Boothe.

[True Blue]

Yeah it makes too much sense and that's what I've been saying. Brewer goes back to being the backup and apparently can slide into the guard position if we can't get Boothe resigned (or protects us if he gets injured, etc...). Pick up a decent guard and draft one and cut Diehl. Hell cutting Diehl would free up the money to pay Boothe.

if health concerns causes Star Lotulelei to fall to us, and Fluker is available who do you think the Giants go with given the fact that picked Marvin Austin who was coming off injury and it hasn't panned out, and Shaun Rodgers also has health issues?

[GMenFanSince90]

It would really depend on the issues. If it's not serious he won't be there at 19, if it is serious, we won't be interested. He shouldn't really be mentioned.

Warmack has a bigger chance to slip from what I've seen.

For the guys saying to get the TE, you need your first round pick to be in a high value position. Meaning you invest a first round pick and get a guy for 4-5 years for really cheap in a position that normally costs a lot of money to fill (hence CB, DE, Tackles, QB) taking the majority of the first round slots. Positions like RB's, Safeties, TE's tend to slip into the 2nd due to them being easier to fill and less of a bang for your buck type position.

Another reason why you don't see many guards go early either.