49ers Draft/Draft Day Trades

[Tony Perkis]

Before this is moved to the 49er forum hear me out, as this is a league wide scenario (Mike Ditka trading whole draft for ricky williams)
SF late first round pick last year AJ Jenkins, which was supposed to be a better draft than this year suited up 3 times and saw 3 balls sail his way, catching none of them. SF have an even worse pick in the first round of this years draft, as well as a pick 3 spots later and multiple picks later in the draft. 15 draft picks in all. With the depth of the team allowing maybe 5 new roster spots, which includes kicker. My question is this.
If you are SF what do you do with all these draft picks? OR if you have no real knowledge of what SF needs...How much would it take for your team to trade out of your current spot in the draft and would you be willing to do so?

Here are some scenarios I thought of.

The raiders have no 2nd or 5th round picks. They are obviously lacking talent and SHOULD probably try to trade out of the 3rd draft spot. But the Raiders are always on their own agenda.
Would you trade the 31st, a late second, 2 thirds, a 4th, two 5ths, and a 7th for the 3rd overall pick? And pick DEE Milliner.

Trade the 34th to the Jets for a one year rental of Revis.

Trade the 31st overall pick, 34th and 61st overall for the 8th pick and take Star Loutoleouli

Wait until the draft starts and trade 31st, 34th, and another 2nd (through other deals) for future first round picks. and wait until nexts years draft where hopefully more talent will be available?

[lolPhillies]

A one year rental of Revis would be a no-brainer.

[neovenator250]

Chances are pretty good that the Saints would listen to an offer from San Fran about moving down from #15 overall.

[setman2000]

Any team making theoretical trades could have a thread here because it involves other teams. MOVE THREAD ASAP!

[Austeezy]

I would trade those for:

1. Future picks considering the team won't be stacked forever
2. High quality player in a position of need
3. A low risk high reward project who won't be seeing action any time soon

It's a nice problem to have.

[NYSPORTS98]

A one year rental of Revis would be a no-brainer.

yeah, a no-brainer to say "no". Likely the 31st and 34th pick overall is the cost, not just the 34th pick (somebody would offer more). Both selections would be tied up for a minimum dollar investment for four years with the option to resign.

[Jockstrap]

They will be less aggressive than you think in the early rounds. There is a good chance Goldson, Sopoga, Ginn Jr, and a few others walk. Not to mention, we already know Moss won't be back and Williams and Manningham are big ifs going into next season. They are going to need those first two picks to add starters on both sides of the ball. You will see them wheeling and dealing on day two most likely accumulating future picks much like the Pats have been known to do.

[Pinstripe power]

yeah, a no-brainer to say "no". Likely the 31st and 34th pick overall is the cost, not just the 34th pick (somebody would offer more). Both selections would be tied up for a minimum dollar investment for four years with the option to resign.

they made the superbowl last yea,r its not like they have numerous holes to fill with those picks. if anyone would take a rental, i'd be the 49ers. they are a superbowl favorite WITHOUT revis, imagine them with him

[blackjack_119]

Before this is moved to the 49er forum hear me out, as this is a league wide scenario (Mike Ditka trading whole draft for ricky williams)
SF late first round pick last year AJ Jenkins, which was supposed to be a better draft than this year suited up 3 times and saw 3 balls sail his way, catching none of them. SF have an even worse pick in the first round of this years draft, as well as a pick 3 spots later and multiple picks later in the draft. 15 draft picks in all. With the depth of the team allowing maybe 5 new roster spots, which includes kicker. My question is this.
If you are SF what do you do with all these draft picks? OR if you have no real knowledge of what SF needs...How much would it take for your team to trade out of your current spot in the draft and would you be willing to do so?

Here are some scenarios I thought of.

The raiders have no 2nd or 5th round picks. They are obviously lacking talent and SHOULD probably try to trade out of the 3rd draft spot. But the Raiders are always on their own agenda.
Would you trade the 31st, a late second, 2 thirds, a 4th, two 5ths, and a 7th for the 3rd overall pick? And pick DEE Milliner.

Trade the 34th to the Jets for a one year rental of Revis.

Trade the 31st overall pick, 34th and 61st overall for the 8th pick and take Star Loutoleouli

Wait until the draft starts and trade 31st, 34th, and another 2nd (through other deals) for future first round picks. and wait until nexts years draft where hopefully more talent will be available?

Almost any draft day trade will have to have value similar to the pick valuation chart:

#3 overall is valued at 2,200

To get to 2,200 points, San Francisco would be need to trade:

1(31) 600
2(2) 560
2(29) 292
3(12) 210
3(31) 120
4(31) 45
5(24) 30.6
5(31) 27.8
6(12) 22.2

Those picks would collectively add up to just over 1900 points (#3 is worth 1,800; #2 is 2,200)

You suggested trading all of these picks but not including KC's second rounder. The value of the picks you suggested would be worth about 1350 points... which is the exact value of the 9th overall pick (Milliner would not be available at #9 overall.)

[blackjack_119]

I personally think the 49ers have a lot of minor needs:

Elite Cover CB
Split-End opposite Crabtree
Backup QB
Replacement DE for Smith (age consideration)
Replacement for Sopoaga (FA)
S to replace Goldson
Kicker

I would use a lot of the later picks to move up slightly at any point in the draft to select players that fit a need and are sliding.

[GMenFanSince90]

Almost any draft day trade will have to have value similar to the pick valuation chart:

#3 overall is valued at 2,200

To get to 2,200 points, San Francisco would be need to trade:

1(31) 600
2(2) 560
2(29) 292
3(12) 210
3(31) 120
4(31) 45
5(24) 30.6
5(31) 27.8
6(12) 22.2

Those picks would collectively add up to just over 1900 points (#3 is worth 1,800; #2 is 2,200)

You suggested trading all of these picks but not including KC's second rounder. The value of the picks you suggested would be worth about 1350 points... which is the exact value of the 9th overall pick (Milliner would not be available at #9 overall.)

This isn't a science anymore and you can't go by that. A shabby team would be foolish not to trade there top pick for that bounty even if it doesn't total the point value for their pick.

[GMenFanSince90]

What you should do is take 3-5 picks and package them for future picks next year. Use 3-5 picks to move up get who you want (round + late round).

For example you could trade a shabby team with a low amount of draft picks a 2nd for a 2nd and a 5th next year, knowing that you're going to finish much higher in the standings than them.

[j11430]

yeah, a no-brainer to say "no". Likely the 31st and 34th pick overall is the cost, not just the 34th pick (somebody would offer more). Both selections would be tied up for a minimum dollar investment for four years with the option to resign.

If you trade those two picks for Revis (even though I feel like you'd have to give more) you could probably pay his salary (or at least most of it) with the money you would have given those rookies. You do that this season and try to work out a fair long term deal later.

[blackjack_119]

This isn't a science anymore and you can't go by that. A shabby team would be foolish not to trade there top pick for that bounty even if it doesn't total the point value for their pick.

Two years ago Atlanta traded two 1st's, a second and two 4th's to move up from #26 to #6.

Last year Washington traded three 1st's and a 2nd to move up 4 spots (granted in that draft four spots up to RGIII is like move from the end of the first to the beginning)

The going going rate to make a major move in the first round is: your first; a future first AND some mid round picks. Why would the Raiders be "foolish" to not accept: a late first; a late second (as opposed to a future first) and a couple more mid round picks?

[GMenFanSince90]

Two years ago Atlanta traded two 1st's, a second and two 4th's to move up from #26 to #6.

Last year Washington traded three 1st's and a 2nd to move up 4 spots (granted in that draft four spots up to RGIII is like move from the end of the first to the beginning)

The going going rate to make a major move in the first round is: your first; a future first AND some mid round picks. Why would the Raiders be "foolish" to not accept: a late first; a late second (as opposed to a future first) and a couple more mid round picks?

It's a 1st, 2 2nds, 1 essentially a first, 2 thirds, 1 4th, 2 5ths and a 6th. You can rebuild your team with that especially a team with lots of dead areas. They could just go BPA at each spot and cut out like 2 years of rebuilding of their entire roster. What is a guy like Stay Lou going to do for them this year?

The big big bounty was due to it being a franchise QB. There's not much much difference after pick #5 to 20 this year compared to previous years.