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  1. #1
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    Does anyone else agree that Woodson will be the downfall of the Knicks?

    I've watched closely all season at Woodson's tendencies and at times, he gets badly out-coached. Before he got the interim tag removed, he claimed that he would hold everyone accountable and figure out a way to make Amare & Melo work.

    He's as stubborn or even more so than D'Antoni was and consistently relies on the inconsistent JR Smith to get it done.

    The truth is Woodson is depriving our team of having a second superstar in Amare. The things I see from Amare in 20-22 minutes a game would probably lead to the full production Amare had in 10-11 if he got the shots and minutes he did then. Instead, Marc Berman of the post brought up a good point on WFAN tonight, Woodson believes, lives and dies by JR Smith as the second option.

    And this will be our downfall. Amare makes $100 million dollars and I think Woodson had most of his success in the 36-11 run he had from last season into this regular season without him. He thinks that gives him the right to not play him.

    And you can tell Amare is getting rightfully frustrated. This dude shoots 58% from the field and he gets 8 shots a night while JR/Carmelo shoot a combined 42% and get 40 shots a game. It's just not fair to not utilize him. He had his share of injuries from Game 1 in the Celtics series in 2011 up until this preseason, but he's healthy now and it looks like he'll never get the chance to prove he has superstar talents still.

    It makes you feel bad that Woodson is the coach now, that Amare got injured, because you can see in limited minutes, in the limited touches Amare gets, he's still the same player.

    But Woodson's practices, putting James White in the starting lineup over Amare, playing Amare 21 minutes on a 30 minute limit, not playing him down the stretch allowing JR Smith to shoot 14 threes vs. the Heat.

    You have Amare on the bench, Kenyon Martin & Marcus Camby get a combined 0 minutes, Copeland inactive and have James White starting.

    Woodson is not Doc Rivers. He's not Erik Spoelstra. He's not Gregg Poppovich. He hasn't made adjustments since this team went from 18-5 to 18-16 over the last 34. And unfortunately, we never conducted the right search for a coach at the end of last season.

    By all the comments Jeff Van Gundy makes on ESPN telecasts, his ideas and philosophies make me wish he was here again coaching this roster.

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    No. Woodson is a fine tough hard nose coach. I like him. Not sure why keyon doesn't play, but camby isn't ready yet. Cope wasn't ganna play, white played 6 mins if that much. I just don't agree with the amare situation. He is still a damn good coach
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    No.

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    I agree. Amare needs to be used alot more. Woodson and jr must be boyfriends.

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    im not a huge fan of amare but he's severely underused

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    Woodson needs to go...we have all this talent being used the wrong way.i dont understand his substitutions, iso ball , and all this switching on d that creates mismatches that never work in our favor.

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    I don't agree with the Amare thing, he is a turnover waiting to happen in crunch time. You want him in for a pick and roll or for decoy reasons fine, but I do not want him posting up. Copeland should be playing, we have injuries and we have a guy who is young, and can shoot spoiling at the end of the bench. Woodson may not be the complete problem, but he is contributing to it. Guys just can't shoot, ie. Novak, Chandler (when he is right there at the basket), White, and Shump still working his way back.

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    been saying this for the longest...woodson is waaay too stubborn
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    For all those people who love to throw advanced stats out there:

    I would love to see you shoot this down and show just how well or not well the Knicks produce with Amare in the game.

    People see him starting to regain his offense, but he is still such a major reason why the other team scores when he's in.



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    I think if he would just find minutes for Copeland and make him an option, we would be fine. And his obsession with JR has to stop. Yeah JR is talented as hell but that doesn't mean you let him shoot as much as he wants.

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    I liked Woodson but I'm really starting to hate him. The JR obsession kills me and kills this team. JR should be a marginal rotation player at best. We can not be a good team and JR be a main piece like this. Amare also needs to play more.
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    I think we overreact a bit much on here. Even JVG remarked how we got good looks that we just missed and that was the difference in the game. I can't think of anything Woodson could've done differently that would have changed the game.

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    I dont think him getting fired would solve anything....he's a good defensive minded coach but lacks in the personal department and offensive sets scares me lol

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    I don't think I have seen a coach that is as stubborn as Woodson. Amare is shooting nearly 60% this year and is much more efficient than JR, it is clear as day he should be our second scorer.

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    I think Amare needs moe time on the court. If his limit is 30 he should play thirty not twenty one minutes. Jr would be good if he did not make so many bad decisions with the ball. I know on this site I always say high percentage shots but those threes when the ball is moving and in flow I will take but when we are down 2 towards the end of the game for Jr to dribble in front of a defender and then step back and take a three without any ball movement or flow pissed me off, not to include those two cross court passes that Lebron picked off. You are taught young in basketball those are bad passes. Only your star can take that type of shot but I would prefer they would not. That being said Woodson needs to be in that *** to make sure that does not happen again, if not Woodson is the blame. Amare is one of the big two, like Bosh is one of the big three and he needs to be out there if we want to contend for a championship. He will have to be out there if we want to beat Chicago or Indianna

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