The Misconception of Allen Iverson

[Eagles710]

Okay, Reason Thread made, is cause there are countless people that Kill Iverson for not passing the ball... Okay For his Career He Avg'd 6.2 Assist's ... also something else people mistake is that he was a PG .. Iverson was a SG ... also there was seasons that he avg over 7 assists per game.

Was he a Chucker? Sure! ... But he was a superstar on a bad team

Some players iversn played with

Mutombo
Raja Bell ( I Believe rookie Year )
Eric Snow
Aaron Mckie
Jurmaine Jones

He Took ^^^ That team to the finals, and 1 won game lol

So The thing is the word " Chucker " on a team like that, Is kinda a have to... who should he have passed to exactly?

But either way... he did Avg 6.2 assists for career . which means he did in fact pass the ball

[Chronz]

You can be a high assist player who kills ball movement and/or makes teammates worse.

Not saying thats AI but his assists dont really point to anything other than playmaking ability.

The only misconception about AI is that people actually think he carried a team to the Finals when in reality he had the best supporting cast for a player of his caliber and style, that cast was ELITE defensively and carried him on that end of the court while he carried the mediocre offense. That talent amounted to the best in the East but I admit AI makes them the best. Still its not the poo poo platter people think it is. DPOY,6MOY,COY,MVP

[4milesperday]

Okay, Reason Thread made, is cause there are countless people that Kill Iverson for not passing the ball... Okay For his Career He Avg'd 6.2 Assist's ... also something else people mistake is that he was a PG .. Iverson was a SG ... also there was seasons that he avg over 7 assists per game.

Was he a Chucker? Sure! ... But he was a superstar on a bad team

Some players iversn played with

Mutombo
Raja Bell ( I Believe rookie Year )
Eric Snow
Aaron Mckie
Jurmaine Jones

He Took ^^^ That team to the finals, and 1 won game lol

So The thing is the word " Chucker " on a team like that, Is kinda a have to... who should he have passed to exactly?

But either way... he did Avg 6.2 assists for career . which means he did in fact pass the ball

A.I does pass the ball once in a while but whenever he's on a team, there is no ball movement. He holds the ball and shoot or pass it when there is rarely enough time for you to do anything other than shoot. He dominates the ball too much. Learn to pass the ball back to the pg once in a while. Most people didn't even know that A.I wasn't the pg because he holds the ball all the time.

[4milesperday]

You can be a high assist player who kills ball movement and/or makes teammates worse.

Not saying thats AI but his assists dont really point to anything other than playmaking ability.

The only misconception about AI is that people actually think he carried a team to the Finals when in reality he had the best supporting cast for a player of his caliber and style, that cast was ELITE defensively and carried him on that end of the court while he carried the mediocre offense. That talent amounted to the best in the East but I admit AI makes them the best. Still its not the poo poo platter people think it is. DPOY,6MOY,COY,MVP

I agree. Just look at Rondo, you wouldn't know the Celtics were this good at ball movement before Rondo got injured.

[ewing]

You can be a high assist player who kills ball movement and/or makes teammates worse.

Not saying thats AI but his assists dont really point to anything other than playmaking ability.

The only misconception about AI is that people actually think he carried a team to the Finals when in reality he had the best supporting cast for a player of his caliber and style, that cast was ELITE defensively and carried him on that end of the court while he carried the mediocre offense. That talent amounted to the best in the East but I admit AI makes them the best. Still its not the poo poo platter people think it is. DPOY,6MOY,COY,MVP

That team also had the easiest road to the finals i've ever seen and it still took them 7 games to beat the Raptors and Bucks. Then they got man handled by LA like everyone else.

[waveycrockett]

AI was a top 3 player in his prime. Anyone who says otherwise is really going off is a misunderstood reputation. Both tmac and kobe had the same rep

[Mr_Jones]

Another example of how numbers are stupid.

Easily misinterpreted.

[bagwell368]

Okay, Reason Thread made, is cause there are countless people that Kill Iverson for not passing the ball... Okay For his Career He Avg'd 6.2 Assist's ... also something else people mistake is that he was a PG .. Iverson was a SG ... also there was seasons that he avg over 7 assists per game.

Was he a Chucker? Sure! ... But he was a superstar on a bad team

Some players iversn played with

Mutombo
Raja Bell ( I Believe rookie Year )
Eric Snow
Aaron Mckie
Jurmaine Jones

He Took ^^^ That team to the finals, and 1 won game lol

So The thing is the word " Chucker " on a team like that, Is kinda a have to... who should he have passed to exactly?

But either way... he did Avg 6.2 assists for career . which means he did in fact pass the ball

You're starting a thread to defend AI and you don't even know he spent years as a PG? Nearly half of his career he was a PG.

AI had a career .452 eFG% - that's pathetic. 6.2 assists? He played a lot of minutes, per 36 that's 5.4.

AI is #3 all time for Usage %, in the top 15 you have these other gunners (shooting a lot and poor FG%):

Aguirre and Carmelo similar to AI to shooting until it hurt the team. Even Wilkins and Gervin who neared that level and were in the top 15 were not as bad as AI, Carmelo, and Aguirre. The rouges gallery of selfish low efficiency gunners. Explain that away.

The two players ahead of AI in Usage is Jordan and Wade. Wade has nearly as many APG, and Jordan isn't far behind - but both were much more efficient shooters.

Basically if you can't score points effectively you should shoot less. AI never figured that out. He played with some players that had more success elsewhere. Maybe it was the team, or maybe it was getting away from the selfish one.

[Riveramk2]

AI and Derrick Rose are eeeeerrrrily similar. besides AI having a slightly better mid range game and rose being a physcial freak those 2 career paths down the line may miror each other

both are ball stopping scoring pgs surrounded with elite defensive talent.

to me the difference is AI never had a luol deng on offense. deng aint the greatest but hes a far suprerior offensive talent than anyone Iverson played with when iverson was at the peak of his powers

[bagwell368]

AI and Derrick Rose are eeeeerrrrily similar. besides AI having a slightly better mid range game and rose being a physcial freak those 2 career paths down the line may miror each other

both are ball stopping scoring pgs surrounded with elite defensive talent.

to me the difference is AI never had a luol deng on offense. deng aint the greatest but hes a far suprerior offensive talent than anyone Iverson played with when iverson was at the peak of his powers

No... no.... no....

Rose put up seasons at age 22 and at age 23 that eclipse any season AI ever had.

Early on AI was a tough defender, but his offensive game as it was later was inefficient - badly so, and never matched Rose - once. In Scoring? sure, but at the cost of missed shot after missed shot.

[thevcballer]

Okay, Reason Thread made, is cause there are countless people that Kill Iverson for not passing the ball... Okay For his Career He Avg'd 6.2 Assist's ... also something else people mistake is that he was a PG .. Iverson was a SG ... also there was seasons that he avg over 7 assists per game.

Was he a Chucker? Sure! ... But he was a superstar on a bad team

Some players iversn played with

Mutombo
Raja Bell ( I Believe rookie Year )
Eric Snow
Aaron Mckie
Jurmaine Jones

He Took ^^^ That team to the finals, and 1 won game lol

So The thing is the word " Chucker " on a team like that, Is kinda a have to... who should he have passed to exactly?

But either way... he did Avg 6.2 assists for career . which means he did in fact pass the ball

Snow had a screw in his ankle by playoffs and deke had a broken finger yet people dont think Iverson carried its madding
That being said lets clear up 2 more misconceptions 1. 2001 wasn't Iversons best season 05 06 and 2 of his 3 seasons with the nuggets where better.

2. That making thread trying to prove AI wasnt a selfish team killer can only end with more people thinking it and pages of AI bashing so its not worth the effort.

[Riveramk2]

No... no.... no....

Rose put up seasons at age 22 and at age 23 that eclipse any season AI ever had.

Early on AI was a tough defender, but his offensive game as it was later was inefficient - badly so, and never matched Rose - once. In Scoring? sure, but at the cost of missed shot after missed shot.

its okay you can continue to hate on AI. im not really gonna continue this conversation. ill take AI 10 times outta 10 over d rose.

now you can pick this post piece by piece and write 3 paragraphs for one of my sentences and you can liter it with stats all you want. ill still take AI 10 times outta 10 over rose.

ai is one of those over/underrated players. hes a lightning rod. people that dislike what he did for the game of basketball will always hate him and people who loved AI will continue to love and defend AI. truth is he is somewhere in the middle of that.

oh yea did i say? regardless of what you say im still taking AI 10 times outta 10 over DRose?

[thevcballer]

You can be a high assist player who kills ball movement and/or makes teammates worse.

Not saying thats AI but his assists dont really point to anything other than playmaking ability.

The only misconception about AI is that people actually think he carried a team to the Finals when in reality he had the best supporting cast for a player of his caliber and style, that cast was ELITE defensively and carried him on that end of the court while he carried the mediocre offense. That talent amounted to the best in the East but I admit AI makes them the best. Still its not the poo poo platter people think it is. DPOY,6MOY,COY,MVP

It Honestly doesn't matter how good the team was Defensively and damn they where good when your 2nd scoring option is ARRON MCKEE your not winning a Title come on chronz your better than that.

[thevcballer]

I agree. Just look at Rondo, you wouldn't know the Celtics were this good at ball movement before Rondo got injured.

For the last time the celtics are not a better team without Rondo that idea is ludicris and this is comming from someone who thinks rondo is overrated.

This happened because the Celtics where doing what they have the past 3 seasons or so in that they stayed on cruse control until the 2nd half of the season and Turned it on when they needed too.

It just so happened that rondo getting hurt made them turn it on just a bit sooner than normal.

[thevcballer]

That team also had the easiest road to the finals i've ever seen and it still took them 7 games to beat the Raptors and Bucks. Then they got man handled by LA like everyone else.

If im not wrong and i very well may be didn't the Lakers SWEEP everyone out west? just the sixers winning one game coming out of the supposedly cupcake soft east should be a testament to how good they where and thats without even mentioning about a 3rd of our roster was injured and a rookie raja bell had to fill in for our starting PG deke had a broken finger Iverson was having major back trouble Lynch was hurt as well i mean we where BANGED up but no on remembers details like that huh. No one remembers that the Sixers where suppose to get swept or that in those weak teams you mentioned AI battled with the likes of Ray Allen Vince Carter and Reggie Miller on his way to the finals. You can not like Iverson all you want but dont undermine the work it took to get into that position.