Alderson talks Backman

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[“I’m not after Terry’s job,” Backman said. “But my goal is definitely to manage in the big leagues.”

Most importantly for Backman, it appears that Alderson believes in him more so than he did back when he ultimately chose Collins over him.

“He’s a good baseball man,” Alderson said. “He knows the game. He’s experienced winning. He’s committed to winning. And at the same time, we’ve had a number of young players come through the system who have developed under his leadership. He’s been great.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...er-terrys-job/

Remember what Cashen did with Davey Johnson in the Mets minors in the early 80s..........Alderson has followed Cashen's 80s blueprint every step of the way thus far rebuilding the organization first with the minor leagues. I have every confidence in Alderson. The guy is building the Mets the exact same way Cashen did.

[Dugmet]

Yesterday, I almost posted, "Where's Muscle13?" after reading Adam Rubin's post on his blog about Wally.

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Asked if he thought Backman could be a major league manager, Alderson replied, “Yes.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...source=dlvr.it

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“I’m ready,” Backman said. “I don’t question my ability to manage and win a game. I don’t question that at all. I’ve got to focus on Vegas.”

Even as his many advocates continue to focus on him.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...source=dlvr.it

When I read that I hear Davey speaking. First words at the press conference Davey had when Frank Cashen introduced him as the new Mets manager after the 1983 season - "I would like to thank Frank Cashen for having the intelligence to hire me as the Mets manager." True story. Later in the day I was listening to the Art Rust Jr show and he had Davey as a guest. Davey practically hung up on Rust after Rust said Flushing by the Bay as he always did. Rust said Davey would have trouble in NY after the interview ended. I looked at my Dad and said this guy is going to win a championship and the fact is he already knows he will. That's how good he is. Davey mentored Wally in the minors. He was buried behind Brian Giles. Wally became Davey's leadoff hitter in Tidewater in 83. The good old days..........

[fanofclendennon]

[“I’m not after Terry’s job,” Backman said. “But my goal is definitely to manage in the big leagues.”

Most importantly for Backman, it appears that Alderson believes in him more so than he did back when he ultimately chose Collins over him.

“He’s a good baseball man,” Alderson said. “He knows the game. He’s experienced winning. He’s committed to winning. And at the same time, we’ve had a number of young players come through the system who have developed under his leadership. He’s been great.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...er-terrys-job/

Remember what Cashen did with Davey Johnson in the Mets minors in the early 80s..........Alderson has followed Cashen's 80s blueprint every step of the way thus far rebuilding the organization first with the minor leagues. I have every confidence in Alderson. The guy is building the Mets the exact same way Cashen did.

Wrong.

Cashen was always trying to bring in major league talent to supplement his roster, often adding to the payroll in the process.

The next time Sandy swaps players that will increase payroll will be the first.

Building a team on the cheap isn't the same as rebuilding.

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Wrong.

Cashen was always trying to bring in major league talent to supplement his roster, often adding to the payroll in the process.

The next time Sandy swaps players that will increase payroll will be the first.

Building a team on the cheap isn't the same as rebuilding.

Obviously you forget how Cashen started to build the system through the draft and trades. Lee Mazzilli for Darling and Terrell in 82. Both minor leaguers. Carlos Diaz and Bob Bailor for Sid Fernandez in 83 when he was in the minors. Cashen drafted Stawberry Dykstra Gooden etc in the early 80s. I like to give the credit to McIlvaine for those kind of like DePodesta now but Cashen was the GM for those drafts. Then when he had the best farm system in baseball he started supplementing with the big guns like Keith and Gary etc. which we all know Alderson is going to do when 2014 and 2015 arrive. He has cleared all the long term deals except for Wright and Niese for 2014. He is putting them in a position to spend and spend big after this year. It's so similar to Cashen's blueprint its a joy to watch. I love Alderson's strategy. It has Frank Cashen written all over it. And none of the Mets GMs have used it since Cashen. I was so disappointed when McIlvaine didn't use the Cashen strategy when he was the GM. I expected him to since he is a player development guy. But Alderson - He has been perfect! The win now GM strategy absolutely sucked for us and we had it for decades. The long term strategy Alderson and Cashen both used is beautiful. All real Mets fans know what is going on here and Alderson has communicated that in the press lately and I totally love it.

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Look guys it is not going to be a fantastic year this year. The team isn't ready yet. We have no outfield and the kid pitching is still developing. But we all knew back when Alderson hired Collins 2 years ago and put Backman in the minors that we were going to suffer a few years before the rebuilding takes effect. 2014 should be much better. Remember when Davey arrived in 84 we won 90 games that year after suffering from 1980-83 as Cashen was building the best organization in baseball and the major league team was awful. But then everything turned. It will again. Patience Mets fans. Patience. We are not that far way. Most of the suffering is behind us. Just another year.

[MetsFanatic19]

Wrong.

Cashen was always trying to bring in major league talent to supplement his roster, often adding to the payroll in the process.

The next time Sandy swaps players that will increase payroll will be the first.

Building a team on the cheap isn't the same as rebuilding.

Then.....what is rebuilding? Wasting money away on veteran players? Sandy has been rebuilding fine. He's brought in a very good amount of young players hwo could turn out to be stars for us and has bought in some productive major leaguers while not dishes out wads of cash. Spending and spending on the major league roster isn't the priority in the rebuilding stage.

[alexandre302]

Obviously you forget how Cashen started to build the system through the draft and trades. Lee Mazzilli for Darling and Terrell in 82. Both minor leaguers. Carlos Diaz and Bob Bailor for Sid Fernandez in 83 when he was in the minors. Cashen drafted Stawberry Dykstra Gooden etc in the early 80s. I like to give the credit to McIlvaine for those kind of like DePodesta now but Cashen was the GM for those drafts. Then when he had the best farm system in baseball he started supplementing with the big guns like Keith and Gary etc. which we all know Alderson is going to do when 2014 and 2015 arrive. He has cleared all the long term deals except for Wright and Niese for 2014. He is putting them in a position to spend and spend big after this year. It's so similar to Cashen's blueprint its a joy to watch. I love Alderson's strategy. It has Frank Cashen written all over it. And none of the Mets GMs have used it since Cashen. I was so disappointed when McIlvaine didn't use the Cashen strategy when he was the GM. I expected him to since he is a player development guy. But Alderson - He has been perfect! The win now GM strategy absolutely sucked for us and we had it for decades. The long term strategy Alderson and Cashen both used is beautiful. All real Mets fans know what is going on here and Alderson has communicated that in the press lately and I totally love it.

"I was so disappointed when McIlvaine didn't use the Cashen strategy when he was the GM. I expected him to since he is a player development guy."

Actually, it dear old Freddie who was unwilling to go the development route and rebuild not McIlvaine. He was unwilling to sacrifice short term profit. So, we had the never ending win-now strategy that is easily a win never strategy.

I agree with you 100%. I was not a fan of Alderson when he was hired, but I have understood the logic behind every move including the Bourn, but I wouldn't have offered him the contract the Mets did never mind what the Indians did. I also understood the comment "we don't have any starting OFs", it was intended as a light a fire under Duda, Nieuwenhuis, etc not I have to spend on OFs statement which I think a fan or 2 missed. Parcells used the media to motivate players all of the time.

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I also understood the comment "we don't have any starting OFs", it was intended as a light a fire under Duda, Nieuwenhuis, etc not I have to spend on OFs statement which I think a fan or 2 missed. Parcells used the media to motivate players all of the time.

Thanks for the nice words, but I actually believe Sandy is telling the truth here. We don't have an outfield this year. It actually reminds me of the Steve Henderson Elliott Maddox Ken Hendersen outfield of the late 70s. But I do think that Wally steps in to manage next year and we spend some serious money on the outfield in 14 as well. I am really looking forward to 14. I don't think this team is that far away. The infield, the kid pitching, I like it all.

[KingsnQueens7]

He's going to be a great manager for this team when tc goes.

[YoungStuna]

Alright, MUSCLE13 returns!!!

[Dugmet]

Actually, it dear old Freddie who was unwilling to go the development route and rebuild not McIlvaine. He was unwilling to sacrifice short term profit. So, we had the never ending win-now strategy that is easily a win never strategy.

The basis of this is what?

[fanofclendennon]

Obviously you forget how Cashen started to build the system through the draft and trades. Lee Mazzilli for Darling and Terrell in 82. Both minor leaguers. Carlos Diaz and Bob Bailor for Sid Fernandez in 83 when he was in the minors. Cashen drafted Stawberry Dykstra Gooden etc in the early 80s. I like to give the credit to McIlvaine for those kind of like DePodesta now but Cashen was the GM for those drafts. Then when he had the best farm system in baseball he started supplementing with the big guns like Keith and Gary etc. which we all know Alderson is going to do when 2014 and 2015 arrive. He has cleared all the long term deals except for Wright and Niese for 2014. He is putting them in a position to spend and spend big after this year. It's so similar to Cashen's blueprint its a joy to watch. I love Alderson's strategy. It has Frank Cashen written all over it. And none of the Mets GMs have used it since Cashen. I was so disappointed when McIlvaine didn't use the Cashen strategy when he was the GM. I expected him to since he is a player development guy. But Alderson - He has been perfect! The win now GM strategy absolutely sucked for us and we had it for decades. The long term strategy Alderson and Cashen both used is beautiful. All real Mets fans know what is going on here and Alderson has communicated that in the press lately and I totally love it.

I didn't forget any of those guys. But you're the one who forgot that in his first years as the team's GM, Cashen acquired relatively expensive veterans in Mike Torres, Dick Tidrow, Randy Jones, Dave Kingman, Rusty Staub, Claudell Washington, Ellis Valentine, and of course George Foster.

So you're conveniently forgetting half of the equation. And before you tell me that none of those players helped improve the team significantly, it was the acquisition of a few other veterans -- Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter, and Bobby Ojeda, who would. Oh, I almost forgot Tim Teufel, who was brought in to hit the left handed pitchers that your man crush couldn't.

I guess the point is, some trades work out well, some don't. But the idea that the 1986 Mets were built entirely from the farm is just wrong.

[fanofclendennon]

Then.....what is rebuilding? Wasting money away on veteran players? Sandy has been rebuilding fine. He's brought in a very good amount of young players hwo could turn out to be stars for us and has bought in some productive major leaguers while not dishes out wads of cash. Spending and spending on the major league roster isn't the priority in the rebuilding stage.

He's brought in talented young players at the expense of not re-signing all stars. Rebuilding has to be done on many levels. Absolutely, you want to replenish the farm and acquire young players. But you also have to supplement by bringing in major league ready talent too.

If building a team on the cheap was the same as rebuilding, the Pittsburgh Pirates would be a dynasty by now, wouldn't they?