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    Hicks only 'bubble' player out of options - Other 40 Man Roster Issues

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    The Mets may have a 40-man roster crunch late in spring training -- especially if Scott Atchison, LaTroy Hawkins, Pedro Feliciano, plus Marlon Byrd or Andrew Brown make the team and all need to be added. After all, once a deal with Brandon Lyon is finalized, the Mets' 40-man roster will be full.

    Yet nearly every bubble player for a major league roster spot can be optioned to the minors without being exposed to waivers if the Mets choose that route.

    The lone exception: infielder Brandon Hicks, acquired from the Oakland Athletics early in the offseason, is out of options and would have to be exposed to waivers if he did not make the major league squad. Yet Hicks enters camp as the favorite over Omar Quintanilla to earn the backup shortstop role behind Ruben Tejada anyway.

    Jenrry Mejia, Jeurys Familia, Jeremy Hefner, Anthony Recker, Greg Burke, Elvin Ramirez, Jordany Valdespin, Zach Lutz and Reese Havens are among the Mets in camp who have options remaining and can be sent to Triple-A Las Vegas without passing through waivers if they don't make the major league team and the Mets choose to keep them on the 40-man roster.

    Players optioned to the minors remain on the 40-man roster.

    Sandy Alderson noted it is easier to remove players from the 40-man roster and successfully pass them through waivers late in spring training than at other points during the offseason.

    "Sometimes what happens is you have a player on the major league roster at that position, and that player is a placeholder for that position," Alderson said. "There's a substitution that takes place. In other cases, you have to move somebody off the roster. But it tends to be easier to make those roster changes toward the end of spring training than it is in December, January. You see some of these players have been claimed three or four times. It gets a lot more difficult to do that at the end of spring training when everybody has the same roster issues."

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    Guys on the bubble to get removed from the 40 man roster are Havens, Lutz, Ramirez and Hefner imo.

    Burke, Familia, Mejia,Carson and Valdespin are guys that may get optioned.

    Recker will be the back up catcher.

    Hicks will be the back up infielder as well, so I doubt that the Mets waive him.

    ...so the 4 guys I mention may get put on waivers if guys like Byrd, Brown, Feliciano and Hawkins make the team.

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    I honestly could do without Elvin Ramirez and Hefner if need be.

    If they need more spots, they can always option some of the other guys you mentioned.
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    Ramirez just does not seem to be able to throw strikes consistently to really keep him around, but then again his arm is a pretty good one.


    ...but really he could be just another Acosta in the future, a guy that may show flashes at times and then suck balls in others.

    Hefner is a guy that really should not be kept around over other guys, pitchers like him are a dime a dozen.

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    Hefner is a classic AAAA pitcher like Stinson and Schwinden...we have 20 better pitchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdg515 View Post
    Hefner is a classic AAAA pitcher like Stinson and Schwinden...we have 20 better pitchers.
    Hefner is WAY better than those scrubs. 3.66 FIP for a rookie is promising.

    I'd take Ramirez, McHugh, Havens, and Lutz off the 40 man before I take off Hefner. Pitching depth can be easily depleted, and you can do much worse than Jeremy Hefner for a spot or 5th starter.

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    Any vet that can't make this team isn't worth being on the 40 man roster.

    If Hicks can't make it, and someone takes him, sayonara.
    Same thing with any of those outfielders they brought in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Hefner is WAY better than those scrubs. 3.66 FIP for a rookie is promising.

    I'd take Ramirez, McHugh, Havens, and Lutz off the 40 man before I take off Hefner. Pitching depth can be easily depleted, and you can do much worse than Jeremy Hefner for a spot or 5th starter.
    I happen to agree with you..Uh OH, this is getting contagious

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Hefner is WAY better than those scrubs. 3.66 FIP for a rookie is promising.
    Yeah, Hefner in middle relief intrigues me. I remember in 2004 when everyone figured it was OK to give away Dan Wheeler, even though he had decent peripherals, since he was a scrub who didn't throw hard and didn't get a lot of ground balls anyway. That now looks like a mistake. Likewise parting with Darren O'Day in 2009 despite a strong spring (though O'Day only threw mid 80s, he was really a different kind of pitcher, with the sidearm delivery).

    To me it looks like Hefner throws as hard as Wheeler did, has not as good a curve but a better change up, and really throws strikes, even moreso than Wheeler or O'Day at the time. And his peripherals were just as good in AAA last year, it doesn't look like his Mets result was that flukey. I like that with the change and slider both good secondaries, he can be a crossover guy. You can then maybe carry Burke (who is more like O'Day) as a righty specialist.

    I maybe even wouldn't mind a pen of Parnell, Lyon, Francisco, Edgin, Gorski, Hefner, Burke. Of course Gorski is a long shot for the second lefty job, and we'll likely see at least one of Atchison or Hawkins make it. But there's enough depth I don't think it's going to hurt to go with the young guys, even though they have options. Familia is another one I wouldn't mind seeing make it out of camp. But you want to have some strike-throwers there.

    The older "proven" guys are all strike throwers who don't throw hard anyway. Hawkins still throws sort of hard, sitting around 92, but he was only really good when he sat 93-94, and isn't missing many bats anymore. The others, Atchison is another guy sitting around 90 mph, and Feliciano at this point could only be sitting around 85. If the younger guys are throwing strikes and getting results, I'll take them over some of these mid 30s and older guys with no better upside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Sports Fan View Post
    I happen to agree with you..Uh OH, this is getting contagious

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    Quote Originally Posted by acerimusdux View Post
    Yeah, Hefner in middle relief intrigues me. I remember in 2004 when everyone figured it was OK to give away Dan Wheeler, even though he had decent peripherals, since he was a scrub who didn't throw hard and didn't get a lot of ground balls anyway. That now looks like a mistake. Likewise parting with Darren O'Day in 2009 despite a strong spring (though O'Day only threw mid 80s, he was really a different kind of pitcher, with the sidearm delivery).

    To me it looks like Hefner throws as hard as Wheeler did, has not as good a curve but a better change up, and really throws strikes, even moreso than Wheeler or O'Day at the time. And his peripherals were just as good in AAA last year, it doesn't look like his Mets result was that flukey. I like that with the change and slider both good secondaries, he can be a crossover guy. You can then maybe carry Burke (who is more like O'Day) as a righty specialist.

    I maybe even wouldn't mind a pen of Parnell, Lyon, Francisco, Edgin, Gorski, Hefner, Burke. Of course Gorski is a long shot for the second lefty job, and we'll likely see at least one of Atchison or Hawkins make it. But there's enough depth I don't think it's going to hurt to go with the young guys, even though they have options. Familia is another one I wouldn't mind seeing make it out of camp. But you want to have some strike-throwers there.

    The older "proven" guys are all strike throwers who don't throw hard anyway. Hawkins still throws sort of hard, sitting around 92, but he was only really good when he sat 93-94, and isn't missing many bats anymore. The others, Atchison is another guy sitting around 90 mph, and Feliciano at this point could only be sitting around 85. If the younger guys are throwing strikes and getting results, I'll take them over some of these mid 30s and older guys with no better upside.
    I'm not sure about Hefner in relief personally. I see him as a long man/AAA depth right now, but if he impresses maybe he can earn that larger role.

    Even though I'm not a Carson believer, I would put him in the pen as the 2nd lefty if Feliciano doesn't make it over Gorski. I love how deep we are suddenly with pen arms. If guys get hurt or under-perform, we will have plenty of guys guys to fill in and do a solid job.

    Hawkins and Atchison both get a lot of groundballs. I think these type of veteran arms are great leaders for our young arms that we are trying to develop in the pen.

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    I wonder what it must be like to root for a team that has real baseball players. It's been so long.
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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    If the season started today, what would be the starting line-up? What is going on with F-Mart, the team is rebuilding and he still can't solidify a starting gig..
    "..complex mane dat love simple thangs."*S.L.uggeR*

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    Hicks only 'bubble' player out of options - Other 40 Man Roster Issues

    Martinez is an Astro dude, since last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    Martinez is an Astro dude, since last year.
    ROTFLMAO!!!!! Our outfield is so bad that people are still asking about F-Mart! hahahahahahahaha
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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