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    Jonathan Mayo's new top 20 Mets Prospect List

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    Travis d'Arnaud
    Rank: 1
    ETA: 2013
    Position: C
    Age: 23, DOB: 02/10/1989
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 2", Weight: 195
    Drafted: 2007, 1st (37) - PHI
    Twitter: @Travisdarnaud
    Scouting Grades (present/future): Hit: 5/6 | Power: 5/6 | Run: 3/3 | Arm: 5/6 | Field: 4/5 | Overall: 5/6
    If it hadnít been for some injuries, talk about díArnaud as a prospect would have long been a thing of the past and the buzz would be about him as one of the bright young catching stars in the big leagues. In 2012, he was tearing up the Pacific Coast League when he tore the PCL in his left knee. During the offseason, he was traded for an ace for the second time in his career. Initially a Phillies prospect, he was dealt to Toronto in the Roy Halladay deal. This time, he was the key part of a package sent from the Blue Jays to the Mets for R.A. Dickey. When healthy, he has the tools to be a top-flight all-around backstop. Heís agile and athletic with a good arm and has worked hard to improve his throwing. He has the ability to hit for both average and power and is a natural leader behind the plate, skills he should be able to show off in New York soon.
    Zack Wheeler
    Rank: 2
    ETA: 2013
    Position: RHP
    Age: 22, DOB: 05/30/1990
    Bats: L, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 4", Weight: 185
    Drafted: 2009, 1st (6) - SF
    Twitter: @Wheelerpro45
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): FB: 7/7 | Curve: 5/6 | Slider: 5/6 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 5/6 | Overall: 6/7
    The San Francisco Giants donít shy away from drafting and developing high-end high school arms so it wasnít surprising when they took Wheeler early on in 2009. He came to the Mets in the 2011 deal for Carlos Beltran and in his first full season with his new organization, the two-time Futures Game participant reached Triple-A. Wheeler has evolved from more of a thrower into a complete pitcher, one who isnít far from helping out at the big league level. Tall and projectable, Wheeler is a power pitcher with a feel for three pitches. His fastball is already plus, touching 98 mph, with some sink and he can add and subtract from it. He throws two breaking balls, a curve heís always had and a newer slider, both of which can be at least above-average. His changeup has improved and should be an average third offering. His command has improved tremendously, perhaps the biggest reason why heís poised to help out in New York in the near future.
    Noah Syndergaard
    Rank: 3
    ETA: 2015
    Position: RHP
    Age: 20, DOB: 08/29/1992
    Bats: L, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 5", Weight: 200
    Drafted: 2010, 1st (38) - TOR
    Twitter: @Noahsyndergaard
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 6/7 | Curveball: 4/5 | Changeup: 5/6 | Control: 4/5 | Overall: 5/6
    Syndergaard had a very successful full-season debut where he made the All-Star team, held hitters to a .212 average and struck out 10.6 per nine innings. He uses his height well, throwing downhill with some movement. Though his fastball is plus, thrown up to 96 mph consistently, heís more than just a thrower. His power curve has improved as heís added velocity to it and it could be an above-average breaking ball in the future. He has a power changeup as well, which is still a work in progress, but could give him a third above-average offering. Despite his size, he has an easy delivery and he throws strikes. His combination of stuff, pitchability and aggressiveness on the mound point to a possible future as a frontline starter.
    Brandon Nimmo
    Rank: 4
    ETA: 2015
    Position: OF
    Age: 19, DOB: 03/27/1993
    Bats: L, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 3", Weight: 185
    Drafted: 2011, 1st (13) - NYM
    Twitter: @You_Found_Nimmo
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 4/6 | Power: 4/6 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 5/5 | Field: 4/5 | Overall: 5/6
    When evaluating where Nimmo is on the development path, it's important to note that Brooklyn is not a very nice place to hit. Just ask Ike Davis, who hit zero homers in the New York-Penn League at age 21. Nimmo, the Wyoming native who didn't have a high school baseball team, hit six as a raw teenager. There's a lot of raw power to tap into for Nimmo and as he continues to refine his approach, he should have at least above-average pop in games. He does understand the strike zone quite well, so he should hit for average as well. A solid average runner, Nimmo has a good arm and while he has work to do to stay in center field, should be an average defender across the board. The Mets knew it might take Nimmo some time to develop given his experience, but in many ways he's ahead of the curve.
    Jeurys Familia
    Rank: 5
    ETA: 2013
    Position: RHP
    Age: 23, DOB: 10/10/1989
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 4", Weight: 230
    Signed: July 13, 2007 - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 7/7 | Slider: 5/6 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 3/4 | Overall: 5/6
    There has never been any question about Familiaís arm strength and his ability to generate swings and misses, with his strikeout rate of nearly a batter per inning throughout his Minor League career. He can maintain his mid-90s velocity throughout his starts with good sink. His slider with short bite gives him a very good breaking ball to complement his fastball, and it has a cutter-type action. He shows some feel for a sinking changeup, though he doesnít throw it much, especially when heís coming out of the bullpen. His lack of command and the lack of a consistent third pitch makes most thinking a relief role makes the most sense, with the potential to be a future closer.
    Gavin Cecchini
    Rank: 6
    ETA: 2015
    Position: SS
    Age: 19, DOB: 12/22/1993
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 1", Weight: 180
    Drafted: 2012, 1st (12) - NYM
    Twitter: @GavinCecchini2
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 4/6 | Power: 2/4 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 5/5 | Field: 5/6 | Overall: 5/6
    If Cecchini needs advice about the travails of Minor League life, he can ask his older brother, Garin, who was a fourth-round pick of the Red Sox in 2010. Of course his father, who doubled as his high school coach, well-prepared him for the path ahead. Gavin is a scrappy middle infielder who should be able to play shortstop long-term thanks to good range, a solid arm and plus instincts. Those instincts also helps his solid average speed play up on the basepaths. He projects to be a good all-around hitter with the ability to make consistent contact, even if itís not with that much power. He plays the game the right way and that plus makeup should help him move up the organizational ladder.
    Wilmer Flores
    Rank: 7
    ETA: 2015
    Position: 3B
    Age: 21, DOB: 08/06/1991
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 3", Weight: 190
    Signed: Aug. 6, 2007 - NYM
    Scouting Grades (present/future): Hit: 4/6 | Power: 4/5 | Run: 3/3 | Arm: 6/6 | Field: 4/5 | Overall: 4/5
    The 2012 season was a big one for the Mets infield prospect. Still very young, Flores made impressive progress at the plate, moving up to Double-A for the first time. He has a knack for making contact and is extremely tough to strike out. His overall approach at the plate improved and that helped him tap into his raw power more consistently. Initially a shortstop, Flores moved around the infield in 2012, spending more time at third than anywhere else, and that's a much better home for him given his lack of quickness. He has good hands and a strong arm, but the lack of range might continue to be an issue. Flores' bat might be ready to contribute soon, regardless of his position.
    Rafael Montero
    Rank: 8
    ETA: 2015
    Position: RHP
    Age: 22, DOB: 10/17/1990
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 0", Weight: 170
    Signed: Jan. 20, 2011 - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): FB: 6/7 | Curve: 4/5 | Slider: 5/5 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 5/6 | Overall: 5/6
    Since signing out of the Dominican Republic, a bit older than most international prospects, Montero has been on a bit of a fast track. He made three stops during his debut summer in 2011, then kept on going in 2012, pitching at both full-season A-ball affiliates while finishing fourth in the organization in ERA and batting average against. He's not the biggest guy in the world, but there aren't concerns about durability. Montero has a real feel for pitching, often pitching backwards with his slider and quality fading changeup. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a fastball. He can touch 95 mph with a ton of life. He can throw all of them for strikes, which bodes well for his future as a member of a big league rotation.
    Luis Mateo
    Rank: 9
    ETA: 2015
    Position: RHP
    Age: 22, DOB: 03/22/1990
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 3", Weight: 185
    Signed: May 11, 2011
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 6/6 | Slider: 6/7 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 5/6 | Overall: 5/6
    The start of Mateo's career began inauspiciously as he had deals with two other clubs fall apart because of injury and age concerns. After serving a one-year suspension, the Mets were able to sign him, albeit not in his teenage years. He made his United States debut in 2012, putting up gaudy numbers in the New York-Penn League. Mateo has the best slider in the system, a future plus breaking ball with good late break. His fastball is above-average and his control, already solid, will continue to get better. Only his changeup is behind, but he's shown enough feel for it where there's confidence it will be a Major League-average offering. Don't be surprised if he starts moving more quickly through the full-season leagues.
    Michael Fulmer
    Rank: 10
    ETA: 2015
    Position: RHP
    Age: 19, DOB: 03/15/1993
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 3", Weight: 200
    Drafted: 2011, 1st (44) - NYM
    Twitter: @MFulmer12
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 6/6 | Slider: 5/6 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 5/6 | Overall: 5/6
    Despite being a high schooler who barely pitched during his summer debut, the Mets felt confident enough in Fulmerís abilities and maturity to send him straight to full-season ball for his first full year of pro ball. Fulmer responded with an ERA that would have been good for third in the South Atlantic League had he thrown enough innings to qualify. The Oklahoma prepster (coming from the same class as first-rounders Dylan Bundy and Archie Bradley) has the chance to have three Major League average or better pitches with solid command. His fastball and slider combination would be enough to excel in the bullpen, but if his changeup can continue to improve and give him that third pitch, he has every chance to start.
    Domingo Tapia
    Rank: 11
    ETA: 2015
    Position: RHP
    Age: 21, DOB: 12/16/1991
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 4", Weight: 186
    Signed: Dec. 16, 2009 - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 7/8 | Curveball: 3/4 | Changeup: 5/6 | Control: 4/5 | Overall: 5/6
    One thing is certain about this tall, lanky Dominican right-hander: He can really throw hard. He has a true plus fastball that has touched triple digits on more than one occasion. He does throw the fastball for strikes fairly consistently, especially for his age. Heís not just arm strength. Tapia has a good sinking changeup that should be an above-average pitch in the future. Whether he can stay in a rotation or have to move to the bullpen might depend on how his big, slurvy breaking ball develops over time. If he can tighten it up, he has the size, stuff and overall feel for pitching to start. If not, that fastball-changeup combination should work well in relief.
    Jacob DeGrom
    Rank: 12
    ETA: 2014
    Position: RHP
    Age: 24, DOB: 06/19/1988
    Bats: L, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 4", Weight: 185
    Drafted: 2010, 9th (272) - NYM
    Twitter: @JdeGrom19
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 6/7 | Slider: 4/6 | Changeup: 5/6 | Control: 4/5 | Overall: 4/6
    At first glance, it might be easy to dismiss DeGrom as ďtoo old for his level,Ē considering he turned 24 in 2012 and pitched at two levels of A ball. But if you take into account that he was a two-way player at Stetson, then missed the 2011 season in the Mets organization following Tommy John surgery, heís not far behind experience-wise. Now healthy, DeGrom has a fastball that should be a plus pitch and combines it with a potentially above-average slider. He also throws a solid changeup, all of which helped him finish third in the organization in ERA in 2012. If DeGrom can have even just average command, he has a future as a starter, and could start moving more quickly.
    Hansel Robles
    Rank: 13
    ETA: 2015
    Position: RHP
    Age: 22, DOB: 08/13/1990
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185
    Drafted: Aug. 21, 2008
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 6/6 | Slider: 4/5 | Changeup: 4/6 | Control: 5/6 | Overall: 4/6
    Robles has been making incremental progress through the Mets' system since signing, spending two summers in the Dominican Summer League, one in the rookie-level Appalachian League and the 2012 season in the short-season New York-Penn League. He did lead the NY-Penn League in ERA, showing the makings of a very good three-pitch mix with a good idea of how to use it. His fastball is above-average, but it has plus life to it. His other pitches still need refinement, but his changeup could be an above-average pitch and his slider at least average. Add in excellent command and this slightly undersized right-hander has a real chance to be a rotation mainstay.
    Cesar Puello
    Rank: 14
    ETA: 2014
    Position: OF
    Age: 21, DOB: 04/01/1991
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 2", Weight: 195
    Signed: July 2, 2007 - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 3/6 | Power: 5/6 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 6/6 | Field: 5/6 | Overall: 4/6
    From a pure raw tools standpoint, no one stands ahead of Puello in the Metsí organization. He just hasnít been able to translate those tools into consistent performance just yet. Injuries played a key role in that during the 2012 season as he was limited to just 66 games, though he made up for some lost time in the Arizona Fall League. Puello still has a good deal of raw power and the bat speed to be a good all-around hitter. He needs to really refine his approach at the plate so he can tap into that power, something that has been very slow to come. He has good speed and a very strong arm from the outfield, with the chance to be an above-average defender, either in center or right field. For now, he needs to stay on the field so he can sharpen those tools more.
    Cory Mazzoni
    Rank: 15
    ETA: 2014
    Position: RHP
    Age: 23, DOB: 10/19/1989
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 1", Weight: 190
    Drafted: 2011, 2nd (71) - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 6/6 | Slider: 4/5 | Splitter: 4/5 | Control: 5/6 | Overall: 4/5
    The North Carolina State product is already on the fast track, reaching Double-A in his first full season of pro ball. While he might have a somewhat limited ceiling, the right-hander does have the chance to have three at-least-average pitches with above-average control. It starts with his above-average fastball that has good life to it. His secondary pitches both grade out as future average, with a late-breaking slider and a splitter he uses as his offspeed pitch. While he faded down the stretch, he did show the ability to dominate at the Double-A level, giving hope that he may not be too far from being big-league ready, either as a mid-range starter or a very effective reliever if his secondary offerings don't improve.
    Wilfredo Tovar
    Rank: 16
    ETA: 2014
    Position: SS
    Age: 21, DOB: 08/11/1991
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 5' 10", Weight: 160
    Signed: Oct. 12, 2007 - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 3/4 | Power: 2/3 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 5/5 | Field: 6/7 | Overall: 3/5
    It took parts of three years, but Tovar finally made it out of A ball in 2012 and he has his sights on New York next. The diminutive infielder can flat out play defense, earning plus grades for his glove work to go along with a solid average arm. He had played second and shortstop in the past, but worked almost exclusively on the left side of the infield in 2012, leaving no doubts about his ability to play the premium position defensively at the highest level. Whether Tovar can be an everyday player will depend on how much he hits. There's no real power there, but Tovar does make consistent contact and rarely strikes out. If it's not enough for him to be a glove-first guy who hits at the bottom of the lineup, he has the skills to have a very long career as a utilityman.
    Kevin Plawecki
    Rank: 17
    ETA: 2015
    Position: C
    Age: 21, DOB: 02/26/1991
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 2", Weight: 205
    Drafted: 2012, 1st (35) - NYM
    Twitter: @kplawecki26
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 3/5 | Power: 4/5 | Run: 3/3 | Arm: 5/5 | Field: 5/6 | Overall: 4/5
    The 2012 Draft class wasn't a great one in terms of catching depth, especially from the college ranks, so Plawecki was able to ride a strong junior season at Purdue into the supplemental first round. At Purdue, he was a contact-first, offensive-minded catcher, but he has some obvious strength and should hit for more power in the future (he did hit seven homers, including four at home in Brooklyn -- a tough park for hitters). He may not wow anyone with his skills behind the plate, but he's a solid receiver who works well with pitchers and with an arm that was strong and accurate enough to throw out 32 percent of would-be basestealers during his pro debut. There isn't much catching depth in the Mets' system and Plawecki rises right to the top of that class.
    Matthew Reynolds
    Rank: 18
    ETA: 2015
    Position: SS
    Age: 22, DOB: 12/03/1990
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 1", Weight: 200
    Drafted: 2012, 2nd (71) - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 4/5 | Power: 3/5 | Run: 4/5 | Arm: 5/5 | Field: 4/5 | Overall: 4/5
    Reynolds played a lot of third base while at Arkansas and while he didnít necessarily have the offensive profile for the position, many assumed thatís where heíd play as a professional. The Mets, who liked what they saw in his defensive actions, sent him to full-season ball and let him play shortstop, a spot he had played some in the past. They came away pleasantly surprised and will let him play the premium spot again in 2013. He projects as an average defender there, with the knowledge that heíd likely be above-average at third or second in the future. At the plate, Reynolds likes to use the whole field, but there might be more power there that hasnít shown up yet in games.
    Phillip Evans
    Rank: 19
    ETA: 2016
    Position: SS
    Age: 20, DOB: 09/10/1992
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 5' 10", Weight: 185
    Drafted: 2011, 15th (462) - NYM
    Twitter: @PEVANS28
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 3/5 | Power: 3/4 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 5/6 | Field: 4/6 | Overall: 4/5
    It took a well over-slot deal to get Evans to join the Mets and not head off to San Diego State, but the Mets hope the investment will net them a solid shortstop in the future. He's already improved tremendously in the field since his high school days, projecting to be an above-average fielder with an above-average arm. How much he'll hit will help determine his ultimate role, but he projects to be an average hitter with solid on-base skills to go along with a little extra-base pop.
    German Rosario
    Rank: 20
    ETA: 2017
    Position: SS
    Age: 17, DOB: 11/20/1995
    Bats: R, Throws: R
    Height: 6' 2", Weight: 170
    Signed: July 2, 2012 - NYM
    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 3/6 | Power: 3/6 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 6/6 | Field: 5/6 | Overall: 3/6
    Mets fans, want a guy to dream on? Willing to wait a while? Rosario might be worth it. The Dominican shortstop received the largest bonus of any international amateur during the 2012 signing period, with the Mets spending $1.75 million of their $2.9 million pool. While heís yet to play any official baseball in a Mets uniform, Rosario really stood out among much older players at instructs last fall, showing outstanding defensive ability as well as some serious bat speed that allowed him to hold his own against more advanced pitching than he had ever faced. More than anything, he looked like he belonged. Heís a long way away and thereís a lot of projection when it comes to a player like this, but he has the tools to be the real deal in the future.

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    I think this is an excellent list by Mayo, though the only changes I would make would be Mazzoni at 12th instead of DeGrom, DeGrom at 13th instead of Robles and Robles at 15th. Wheeler #1 over d'Arnaud, but still an excellent list by Mayo imo.

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    Yeah i still think a potential #1 starter has more value than a possible perennial all star catcher.

    I would put Wheeler at 1 too.
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    Meh....I think Fulmer is our best pitching prospect outside of Wheeler/Syndergaard

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    Is there anyone who does a top list and does pitchers and hitters separately? Like I would love to know where we would rank if we were just doing all the minor league pitchers in every organization.

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    I tried posting this list earlier, don't think I had the formatting quite right. Rookie mistake I guess.

    Interesting to note den Dekker's absence from the list. I still think there's a chance he can help the big club in the not-to-distant future; kind of a left handed version of Peter Bourjos.

    Also, who is this German Rosario and is he related to Amed?

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    I love this list, this is 1 million times better than that mid-season one.

    I love that he put deGrom over Mazzoni, he obviously has the higher ceiling. I'd rather have Aderlin over Reynolds though.

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    Interesting list. I don't know enough to disagree. I do enjoy reading what the future may hold. Lotta bodies projected to hit the majors in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jones crulla View Post
    I tried posting this list earlier, don't think I had the formatting quite right. Rookie mistake I guess.

    Interesting to note den Dekker's absence from the list. I still think there's a chance he can help the big club in the not-to-distant future; kind of a left handed version of Peter Bourjos.

    Also, who is this German Rosario and is he related to Amed?
    Yes. Same dude. Signed him out of the DR for 1.75 million last summer.
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by jones crulla View Post
    I tried posting this list earlier, don't think I had the formatting quite right. Rookie mistake I guess.

    Interesting to note den Dekker's absence from the list. I still think there's a chance he can help the big club in the not-to-distant future; kind of a left handed version of Peter Bourjos.

    Also, who is this German Rosario and is he related to Amed?
    His full name is German Amed Rosario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metsbulls1025 View Post
    Is there anyone who does a top list and does pitchers and hitters separately? Like I would love to know where we would rank if we were just doing all the minor league pitchers in every organization.
    Yes, John Sickels does and I posted it on the John Sickels thread.

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    Mayo also has Mazzoni as a possible mid rotation starter, which is his ceiling, while he really does not say what is the ceiling for DeGrom because again the guy is still quite an unknown, but if he does as he did this year again then obviously his ceiling will be higher.

    He has Puello up there were he should because again no other Met in their system has the tools he has even if he has not consistently done it on the field, while a guy like Aderlin is a 1 tool guy.

    I like that he has both Montero and Mateo ahead of Fulmer, while the sky may still be the limit for Fulmer, the other 2 guys are just so polished that they are likely to hit the majors sooner rather than later.

    Tovar is right there were he should be as well, though obviously he thinks that he may just be a utility guy.

    I do not like that Flores is behind Cecchini and Nimmo, Flores bat is much better and he should be able to stick at 3rd which is still a position who does not have much depth in the majors.

    Evans is a guy I was probably wrong about regarding his defense,seems like many guys think he will be able to stick at SS and if he does that is awesome.

    Great to see Rosario make the list, if this guy could stay at SS, then you may have a monster prospect in a couple of years. I am really high on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    Mayo also has Mazzoni as a possible mid rotation starter, which is his ceiling, while he really does not say what is the ceiling for DeGrom because again the guy is still quite an unknown, but if he does as he did this year again then obviously his ceiling will be higher.

    He has Puello up there were he should because again no other Met in their system has the tools he has even if he has not consistently done it on the field, while a guy like Aderlin is a 1 tool guy.

    I like that he has both Montero and Mateo ahead of Fulmer, while the sky may still be the limit for Fulmer, the other 2 guys are just so polished that they are likely to hit the majors sooner rather than later.

    Tovar is right there were he should be as well, though obviously he thinks that he may just be a utility guy.

    I do not like that Flores is behind Cecchini and Nimmo, Flores bat is much better and he should be able to stick at 3rd which is still a position who does not have much depth in the majors.

    Evans is a guy I was probably wrong about regarding his defense,seems like many guys think he will be able to stick at SS and if he does that is awesome.

    Great to see Rosario make the list, if this guy could stay at SS, then you may have a monster prospect in a couple of years. I am really high on him.
    This is definitely one of the better lists I've seen, far better than BA. I like Evans and Rosario as well, a lot of exciting possible prospects on the horizon.

    I've seen some real positive reports on Cecchini. Baseball prospect nation had a 70 future hit tool for Cecchini with 50 power, speed, and fielding with 60 arm.

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