Culliver is making jets choice harder

[Realistik84]

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If this is true, then I view it as trading Revis for a 1st and security from a potential huge market for Smith. I mean, essentially if Smith is released we could sign him for $7.5Mil range and then at that point it is like we traded Revis for a mere 1st.

[Realistik84]

No team will give that much for a perenial pro bowler in his PRIME, who just happens to be the best CB ever...

I think you sir are delusional, if the Phins can get a 2nd and 6th theres no reason we can get a first and second. Vontae cant even hold revis's jockstrap on his best day. And not to mention there buddy that this will be a bidding war for revis and I know teams that are tasting a Superbowl like Denver and San Fran and even Houston will be in a bidding war for him. Don't see how that out of the realm of possibility, no way we trade revis for a 2nd he goes for a first and more.

Furthermore, I dont see how there isnt a proven play involved...I feel the JETS have to like the idea of getting someone they KNOW can help based on evidence as opposed to potential...

I dont believe you are far off Scope, he is a perennial PBer, in his PRIME, and may be best ever. We will get good value for him. We just wont get as much as if he was not injured last year, didnt have huge contract demands...

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Furthermore, I dont see how there isnt a proven play involved...I feel the JETS have to like the idea of getting someone they KNOW can help based on evidence as opposed to potential...

I dont believe you are far off Scope, he is a perennial PBer, in his PRIME, and may be best ever. We will get good value for him. We just wont get as much as if he was not injured last year, didnt have huge contract demands...

Before injury he is easily a two first round type of guy, my thinking is a first and a second for him after injury is fair. These types of injuries happen all the time and athletes come back just as strong if not stronger. The injury concern is a mere ploy to drive down the asking price.

[steve4x4]

No team will give that much for a perenial pro bowler in his PRIME, who just happens to be the best CB ever...

I think you sir are delusional, if the Phins can get a 2nd and 6th theres no reason we can get a first and second. Vontae cant even hold revis's jockstrap on his best day. And not to mention there buddy that this will be a bidding war for revis and I know teams that are tasting a Superbowl like Denver and San Fran and even Houston will be in a bidding war for him. Don't see how that out of the realm of possibility, no way we trade revis for a 2nd he goes for a first and more.

you are wrong. you will never get a 1st, 2nd, and additional pick. not before surgery, and definitely not after.

i am really hoping we can keep him. but if he did get traded, i cant imagine getting anything more than a 1st...which isnt worth it in my opinion.

[JETS TURN!]

Ideal situation... Trave Revis for a first 2nd and 6th to San Fran... Trade cromartie to Houston for a 2nd 3rd and 7th..

[jetsforever]

Ideal situation... Trave Revis for a first 2nd and 6th to San Fran... Trade cromartie to Houston for a 2nd 3rd and 7th..

And then we start who at corner? You can get as many picks as you want... not every pick is going to be a top 10 at their position like Revis AND Cromartie are.

[NYJetsfan69]

@NYjetsfan69 but Revis is prob gonna want that guaranteed money upfront in the first few years in case something happens to him. I don't see him agreeing to a back-loaded contract but who knows.

The new CBA only allows the proration of signing bonus money over 5 years. So if you give him a huge signing bonus, he gets all that money at once, but it is spread out over 5 years. So if we gave him a $30 million signing bonus, he gets $30 million from the owner this year, but it is prorated over the course of 5 years, not year 6 or 7, as far as cap hit goes. Even if you put roster bonuses in year 6 and 7, you can still cut him before they hit. The only way he gets leverage is if you guarantee his base salary in year 6 or 7, but no team in their right mind guarantees a full $16 million for a 34 or 35 year old. While I believe a portion of his salary would be guaranteed in those years, the whole thing won't be giving us the leverage to renegotiate the contract.

For instance, Buffalo holds some leverage in year 5 of the Mario Williams contract, but all of it in the 6th year.

In the 5th year, his cap hit is 19.9 million. The Bills owe him the $3.8 million of his prorated bonus and $2.1 million of guarantees they can't get out of, as well as a $2.5 million roster bonus. In the 6th year, his cap hit is $16.5 million and he is owed a $2.6 million in guarantees they can't get out of, as well as a $3.5 million roster bonus.

If they cut him before the roster bonus is due in the 5th year, they owe him $3.8 million from the signing bonus, $2.1 million of guarantees from the 5th year and $2.6 million of guarantees from year 6 for a total of $8.5 million. So he is only guaranteed to be paid $8.5 million instead of $19.9 million in year 5. The bills can cut him and save $11.4 million. Mario will be age 32 and he won't get $16 million a year on the open market if cut, so why wouldn't he renegotiate? He would want to have years added to the contract as well as some new money to guarantee a job long-term. Even if they cut him, yes it does suck to have $8.5 million in dead space, however at least they can get out of it and that's how you would have to deal with Revis.

In year 6, the Bills only owe Mario $2.6 million of $16.5 million, giving them all the leverage in the world.

They also have protection in year 3, as he has a $10.6 million roster bonus.

So there are ways to structure a contract with him that will satisfy his desire to be paid like a premier player and still protect the team.

I think the key lies in Woody Johnson and what kind of a check he is willing to write for the signing bonus. If he will write a $25-30 million dollar check for the signing bonus, then Revis gets all of that once he signs. Part of the trade off for that is a low base salary in the first year, which I would try to negotiate down to about a million. Then even though he gets a check for $30million, he only gets $1 million in salary this year and would count for $7 million on the cap ($1 million base + $6 million prorated signing bonus). This actually saves you $2 million on the cap (his current hit is projected to be $9 million). Then you can structure the spike year/highest cap hit of the contract for year 2 (2014) and pay him $20 million because you will be freeing up a lot of money by letting Sanchez and Holmes go (over $16 million in cap space).

So he essentially gets over $50 million physically in his hands in the first 2 years (only about $27 million as far as cap hits) and for that he gives us a backloaded year 6 and or 7 that hit for $20 million as well as another no holdout clause, so that the deal actually resemble a 4-5 year contract worth around $14 million tops.

Coming off his serious knee injury, I feel something like this makes sense for both parties. Revis can tout himself as king ding-a-ling for his damned penis envy of any defensive player that had a higher per year average because they don't anymore, while the Jets get a renegotiable contract in the 5th or 6th year to ensure Revis's career ends with the Jets after a move to safety.

Sure if he gets hurt, we'll be screwed for a year or 2, but if you trade him and Cro gets hurt its still the same thing. We are screwed in the secondary. However the upside of Revis versus Cro...well I think we all know that.

[ajgmc59]

If the Jets want to trade Revis (or even Cromartie), the Super Bowl couldn't have went much better. If the 49ers had a good CB, they would have beat the Ravens. At the same time, a team like Denver is probably thinking the same thing. These 2 games should lead to a bidding war between them and some other teams. I personally hope that the Jets trade Cromartie and re-sign Revis. Cromartie should get the Jets a couple of picks and some salary cap relief.

[J-E-T-SJETS3x]

So he essentially gets over $50 million physically in his hands in the first 2 years (only about $27 million as far as cap hits) and for that he gives us a backloaded year 6 and or 7 that hit for $20 million as well as another no holdout clause, so that the deal actually resemble a 4-5 year contract worth around $14 million tops.

I got it now. That makes sense and when it's broken down how you explained I could see something like this happen...at least I hope so.

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you are wrong. you will never get a 1st, 2nd, and additional pick. not before surgery, and definitely not after.

i am really hoping we can keep him. but if he did get traded, i cant imagine getting anything more than a 1st...which isnt worth it in my opinion.

Well I guess thats where we disagree my friend, I just dont agree with getting a second round pick and thats all for revis.. Let me shed some light on why I think you are 100% false.

Marshall Top 10 receiver traded to Miami for a Second round pick.... No Where close to Revis's Level

Vontae Davis Traded to The colts for a second and 6th round pick. (I think it was a six could be wrong)

Jay Cutler (was he even top 10 in 2008?) Two First round picks and Kyle Orton.

Just a few recent trades that went for more than you say Revis will go for. There are plenty of suitors for multiple picks, maybe not a 1,2 and a conditional next year but some heavy compensation.

[scopepts]

If the Jets want to trade Revis (or even Cromartie), the Super Bowl couldn't have went much better. If the 49ers had a good CB, they would have beat the Ravens. At the same time, a team like Denver is probably thinking the same thing. These 2 games should lead to a bidding war between them and some other teams. I personally hope that the Jets trade Cromartie and re-sign Revis. Cromartie should get the Jets a couple of picks and some salary cap relief.

Exactly....

[infamous46]

If we were to trade Revis to the 49ers I want Ahmad Brooks involved in part of the return

[scopepts]

If we were to trade Revis to the 49ers I want Ahmad Brooks involved in part of the return

I wouldnt have a problem with this, but picks also need to be involved.

[infamous46]

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I wouldnt have a problem with this, but picks also need to be involved.

Of coarse I don't think we can trade Revis without also receiving a few draft picks too

[John X Doe]

The new CBA only allows the proration of signing bonus money over 5 years. So if you give him a huge signing bonus, he gets all that money at once, but it is spread out over 5 years. So if we gave him a $30 million signing bonus, he gets $30 million from the owner this year, but it is prorated over the course of 5 years, not year 6 or 7, as far as cap hit goes. Even if you put roster bonuses in year 6 and 7, you can still cut him before they hit. The only way he gets leverage is if you guarantee his base salary in year 6 or 7, but no team in their right mind guarantees a full $16 million for a 34 or 35 year old. While I believe a portion of his salary would be guaranteed in those years, the whole thing won't be giving us the leverage to renegotiate the contract.

For instance, Buffalo holds some leverage in year 5 of the Mario Williams contract, but all of it in the 6th year.

In the 5th year, his cap hit is 19.9 million. The Bills owe him the $3.8 million of his prorated bonus and $2.1 million of guarantees they can't get out of, as well as a $2.5 million roster bonus. In the 6th year, his cap hit is $16.5 million and he is owed a $2.6 million in guarantees they can't get out of, as well as a $3.5 million roster bonus.

If they cut him before the roster bonus is due in the 5th year, they owe him $3.8 million from the signing bonus, $2.1 million of guarantees from the 5th year and $2.6 million of guarantees from year 6 for a total of $8.5 million. So he is only guaranteed to be paid $8.5 million instead of $19.9 million in year 5. The bills can cut him and save $11.4 million. Mario will be age 32 and he won't get $16 million a year on the open market if cut, so why wouldn't he renegotiate? He would want to have years added to the contract as well as some new money to guarantee a job long-term. Even if they cut him, yes it does suck to have $8.5 million in dead space, however at least they can get out of it and that's how you would have to deal with Revis.

In year 6, the Bills only owe Mario $2.6 million of $16.5 million, giving them all the leverage in the world.

They also have protection in year 3, as he has a $10.6 million roster bonus.

So there are ways to structure a contract with him that will satisfy his desire to be paid like a premier player and still protect the team.

I think the key lies in Woody Johnson and what kind of a check he is willing to write for the signing bonus. If he will write a $25-30 million dollar check for the signing bonus, then Revis gets all of that once he signs. Part of the trade off for that is a low base salary in the first year, which I would try to negotiate down to about a million. Then even though he gets a check for $30million, he only gets $1 million in salary this year and would count for $7 million on the cap ($1 million base + $6 million prorated signing bonus). This actually saves you $2 million on the cap (his current hit is projected to be $9 million). Then you can structure the spike year/highest cap hit of the contract for year 2 (2014) and pay him $20 million because you will be freeing up a lot of money by letting Sanchez and Holmes go (over $16 million in cap space).

So he essentially gets over $50 million physically in his hands in the first 2 years (only about $27 million as far as cap hits) and for that he gives us a backloaded year 6 and or 7 that hit for $20 million as well as another no holdout clause, so that the deal actually resemble a 4-5 year contract worth around $14 million tops.

Coming off his serious knee injury, I feel something like this makes sense for both parties. Revis can tout himself as king ding-a-ling for his damned penis envy of any defensive player that had a higher per year average because they don't anymore, while the Jets get a renegotiable contract in the 5th or 6th year to ensure Revis's career ends with the Jets after a move to safety.

Sure if he gets hurt, we'll be screwed for a year or 2, but if you trade him and Cro gets hurt its still the same thing. We are screwed in the secondary. However the upside of Revis versus Cro...well I think we all know that.

I'm still holding out hope for a trade. If traded and we have to absorb the reported 12M cap hit as a result, who/what could we afford by way of free agency knowing we cut Pace, Scott, Moore, Pouha, Devito, Tebow, Thomas, Keller, Cumberland, Greene, both Smiths, and at the same time re-sign Slauson, Landry, Bell, Howard, Edwards? Would we have enough (or any) left over to afford Alex Smith in a trade and/or a TE such as Jared Cook or Brandon Myers? That's essentially my offseason shopping list along with a few more players (DE Jean-Francois), OLB (Barnes) , ILB (Scott), QB (Moore) for depth purposes.