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    Re: Is Kyrie Irving already at MVP Derrick Rose level?

    Before the Bulls fans rage, lets just get the fallacy that Rose carried the Bulls out of the way. He had an impact, but it wasn't as huge as people made it out to be as the Bulls have remained top 3 even without Rose's helpThat is not to say Rose isn't a great player, he provided the scoring output that the Bulls needed to make it far in the playoffs.That being said, currently, Kyrie is scoring just as much as Rose was on less shot attempts, with an efficiency higher than Rose ever had in his career. (24 ppg, 47%FG, 40%3PT, 84%FT)His defense is currently on par with Rose's after his first two yearsHe is averaging slightly less assists but that is a result of far worse teammatesWon't be long until Kyrie > Rose in all facets of the game

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    Only PG i think that Kyrie can't surpass is Cp3. That being said, no Kyrie is not good as Rose was in his MVP season.


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    He is near, but not there yet. I think he will surpass Rose in near future.

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    No, no, and no

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    kyrie aint there yet. let's not talk blasphemy now.
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    He needs to learn defense first.

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    I dont think so. but he needs alot more tallent around him to know


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    Not yet but give him two years and he'll be a top 5 player imo.

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    Paul is the only point guard I'd take ahead of Kyrie right now.

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    Defensively, he is way behind Rose right now, but Rose also had Thibs, so I am not sure how to answer this honestly. But going forward, I am not sure if I would take a PG ahead of Irving.
    Last edited by Hawkeye15; 02-02-2013 at 08:33 PM.

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    No


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    btw, Irving didn't walk into Rose's situation, so team success should not even be touched here. The Bulls were the up and coming team the year prior to underachieving big time, and skipping 12 teams to get the #1 pick. The Cavs were flat out dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    btw, Irving didn't walk into Rose's situation, so team success should not even be touched here. The Bulls were the up and coming team the year prior to underachieving big time, and skipping 12 teams to get the #1 pick. The Cavs were flat out dirt.
    yep and not to mention that kyrie got drafted 1 year after the decision. kyrie had nothing around him with a team in full rebuild mode and he still produces. give him joakim noah, boozer and deng and he is a different player. i think the cavs messed up their drafting, they should have drafted a big ol player like valanciunas or drummond when they had the chance. still i think thompson and waiters are good players just not the top 5 picks they were drafted as. rose also is in the bigger market and led his team to one an incredible record at age 24. kyrie has a year or 2 more to really get to where rose was.

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    Kyrie is really close but I agree with the masses he's not there yet.


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