Top players per position for 2013

[Jeffy25]

Make a top 10 list per position and top 3 prospects per position

And well merge it all together in one thread for everyone


C
1. Posey
2. Molina
3. Mauer
4. Montero
5. Ruiz
6. Wieters
7. Perez
8. Santana
9. Pierz
10. Luccroy

1. D'Arnaud
2. Zuninio
3. Sanchez

1B
1. Votto
2. Pujols
3. Fielder
4. A-Gone
5. Tex
6. E5
7. Craig
8. Rizzo
9. Goldie
10. LaRoche

1. Cron
2. Yelich
3. Adams

2B
1. Cano
2. Zobrist
3. Pedroia
4. Hill
5. Phillips
6. Kinsler
7. Utley
8. Espinoza
9. Kipnis
10. Altuve

1. Wong
2. Shoop
3. Gennett

3B
1. Cabrera
2. Longoria
3. Wright
4. Beltre
5. Zimmerman
6. Headley
7. Sandoval
8. A-Ram
9. Prado
10. Lawrie

1. Olt
2. Castellanos
3. Rendon

SS
1. Tulo
2. Desmond
3. Reyes
4. Andrus
5. Rollins
6. Castro
7. Jeter
8. Cabrera
9. Hardy
10. Hanley

1. Profar
2. Bogarets
3. Lindor

LF
1. Braun
2. Holliday
3. Hamilton
4. Gordon
5. Cespedes
6. Cargo
7. Willingham
8. Upton
9. Soriano
10. Ludwick

CF
1. Trout
2. Kemp
3. Cutch
4. Harper
5. Jackson
6. Jones
7. Bourn
8. Pagan
9. Jay
10. Jennings

RF
1. Stanton
2. Heyward
3. Bautista
4. Beltran
5. Swisher
6. Reddick
7. Hunter
8. Rios
9. Choo
10. Upton

Top 9 outfield prospects

1. Taveras
2. Myers
3. Hamilton
4. Starling
5. Brown
6. Buxton
7. Soler
8. Williams
9. Choice

Top 30 pitchers

1. Verlander
2. Kershaw
3. Lee
4. Halladay
5. Hamels
6. Hernandez
7. Weaver
8. Sabathia
9. Price
10. Sale
11. Wainwright
12. Cueto
13. Dickey
14. Cain
15. Zimmerman
16. Starsburg
17. Shields
18. Greinke
19. Johnson
20. Scherzer
21. Harrison
22. Bumgarner
23. Hellickson
24. Latos
25. Fister
26. Gio
27. Kennedy
28. Darvish
29. Peavy
30. Parker

Top 10 prospects
1. Bundy
2. Fernandez
3. Miller
4. Wheeler
5. Cole
6. Bauer
7. Walker
8. Taillon
9. Martinez
10. Bradley

Top three closers
1. Kimbrel
2. Rivera
3. Johnson


This is only a preliminary list as I am in a bit of a hurry, and it's likely to get edited, so don't get too pissy with the ranks specifically just yet.
So I am not standing behind this list, I just sort of threw it together very quickly and didn't put a ton of thought into it yet.

[jej]

C
1. Posey
2. Molina
3. Mauer
4. Ruiz
5. Wieters
6. Perez
7. Montero
8. Rosario
9. Lucroy
10. Santana

1. D'Arnaud
2. Zuninio
3. Sanchez

1B
1. Votto
2. Pujols
3. Fielder
4. A-Gon
5. Craig
6. E5
7. Tex
8. Morales
9. Goldschmidt
10. Rizzo

1. Cron
2. Yelich
3. Singleton

2B
1. Cano
2. Zobrist
3. Pedroia
4. Phillips
5. kinsler
6. Hill
7. Altuve
8. Kipnis
9. Ackley
10. Weeks

1. Wong
2. Shoop
3. Franklin

3B
1. Cabrera
2. Wright
3. Longo
4. Beltre
5. Zimmerman
6. Headley
7. Prado
8. Lawrie
9. Freese
10. Ramirez

1. Olt
2. Castellanos
3. Rendon

SS
1. Tulo
2. Desmond
3. Reyes
4. Andrus
5. Castro
6. Cabrera
7. Jeter
8. Hardy
9. Rollins
10. Hanley

1. Profar
2. Bogarets
3. Lindor

LF
1. Braun
2. Gordon
3. Hamilton
4. Holliday
5. Cargo
6. Cespedes
7. Willingham
8. Jennings
9. Ludwick
10. Morse

CF
1. Trout
2. Kemp
3. Cutch
4. Harper
5. Jackson
6. Jones
7. Jay
8. Pagan
9. Bourn
10. Span

RF
1. Heyward
2. Stanton
3. Bautista
4. Swisher
5. Beltran
6. Reddick
7. Upton
8. Bruce
9. Rios
10. Markakis

Top 9 outfield prospects

1. Taveras
2. Myers
3. Hamilton
4. Starling
5. Brown
6. Buxton
7. Soler
8. Williams
9. Bradley

Top 30 pitchers

1. Verlander
2. Kershaw
3. Lee
4. Hernandez
5. Hamels
6. Halladay
7. Price
8. Sabathia
9. Sale
10. Weaver
11. Wainwright
12. Cueto
13. Dickey
14. Cain
15. Zimmerman
16. Starsburg
17. Shields
18. Greinke
19. Johnson
20. Scherzer
21. Harrison
22. Bumgarner
23. Hellickson
24. Latos
25. Fister
26. Gio
27. Kennedy
28. Darvish
29. Peavy
30. Parker

Top 10 prospects
1. Bundy
2. Walker
3. Miller
4. Wheeler
5. Cole
6. Bauer
7. Fernandez
8. Taillon
9. Hultzen
10. Bradley

Top three closers
1. Kimbrel
2. Johnson
3. Rivera

[canefandynasty]

You're both wrong: Stanton >> Heyward. Stanton has been coasting for the last 2 seasons.

[MetsFanatic19]

Make a top 10 list per position and top 3 prospects per position

And well merge it all together in one thread for everyone


C
1. Posey
2. Molina
3. Mauer
4. Montero
5. Ruiz
6. Wieters
7. Perez
8. Santana
9. Pierz
10. Luccroy

1. D'Arnaud
2. Zuninio
3. Sanchez

1B
1. Votto
2. Pujols
3. Fielder
4. A-Gone
5. Tex
6. E5
7. Craig
8. Rizzo
9. Goldie
10. LaRoche

1. Cron
2. Yelich
3. Adams

2B
1. Cano
2. Zobrist
3. Pedroia
4. Hill
5. Phillips
6. Kinsler
7. Espinoza
8. Kipnis
9. Altuve
10. Weeks

1. Wong
2. Shoop
3. Gennett

3B
1. Cabrera
2. Longoria
3. Wright
4. Beltre
5. Zimmerman
6. Headley
7. A-Ram
8. Prado
9. Lawrie
10. Freese

1. Olt
2. Castellanos
3. Rendon

SS
1. Tulo
2. Desmond
3. Reyes
4. Andrus
5. Rollins
6. Castro
7. Jeter
8. Cabrera
9. Hardy
10. Hanley

1. Profar
2. Bogarets
3. Lindor

LF
1. Braun
2. Holliday
3. Hamilton
4. Gordon
5. Cespedes
6. Cargo
7. Willingham
8. Soriano
9. Ludwick
10. Jennings

CF
1. Trout
2. Kemp
3. Cutch
4. Harper
5. Jackson
6. Jones
7. Bourn
8. Pagan
9. Jay
10. Span

RF
1. Heyward
2. Stanton
3. Beltran
4. Bautista
5. Swisher
6. Reddick
7. Hunter
8. Rios
9. Choo
10. Upton

Top 9 outfield prospects

1. Taveras
2. Myers
3. Hamilton
4. Starling
5. Brown
6. Buxton
7. Soler
8. Williams
9. Choice

Top 30 pitchers

1. Verlander
2. Kershaw
3. Lee
4. Halladay
5. Hamels
6. Hernandez
7. Weaver
8. Sabathia
9. Price
10. Sale
11. Wainwright
12. Cueto
13. Dickey
14. Cain
15. Zimmerman
16. Starsburg
17. Shields
18. Greinke
19. Johnson
20. Scherzer
21. Harrison
22. Bumgarner
23. Hellickson
24. Latos
25. Fister
26. Gio
27. Kennedy
28. Darvish
29. Peavy
30. Parker

Top 10 prospects
1. Bundy
2. Fernandez
3. Miller
4. Wheeler
5. Cole
6. Bauer
7. Walker
8. Taillon
9. Martinez
10. Bradley

Top three closers
1. Kimbrel
2. Rivera
3. Johnson


This is only a preliminary list as I am in a bit of a hurry, and it's likely to get edited, so don't get too pissy with the ranks specifically just yet.
So I am not standing behind this list, I just sort of threw it together very quickly and didn't put a ton of thought into it yet.

This is exaclt what mine would look like, maybe flipping Longoria and Wright only because Evan has spent a good amount of time on the DL.

Other than that,

[JNev]

The CF and RF lists are just so good

[jej]

You're both wrong: Stanton >> Heyward. Stanton has been coasting for the last 2 seasons.

Care to explain why you feel so confident? At this point, it can go either way. Heyward struggled in 2011 due to an injury, so his career numbers look low, but he has a big edge in defense to make up for it. Id say its equal right now

[canefandynasty]

Care to explain why you feel so confident? At this point, it can go either way. Heyward struggled in 2011 due to an injury, so his career numbers look low, but he has a big edge in defense to make up for it. Id say its equal right now

No way. Stanton is a fine defense himself and even better on offense. Heyward is an average hitter with excellent defense. I'm choosing the former. Stanton offensive potential is wayyyy higher than Heyward. It not even a debate. Stanton has been better for the last 2 seasons. Heyward's superior defense doesn't make up for anything. Stanton's offensive gap is 10X bigger.

[brave/cuban]

No way. Stanton is a fine defense himself and even better on offense. Heyward is an average hitter with excellent defense. I'm choosing the former. Stanton offensive potential is wayyyy higher than Heyward. It not even a debate. Stanton has been better for the last 2 seasons. Heyward's superior defense doesn't make up for anything. Stanton's offensive gap is 10X bigger.

I given Stanton power is big .but not for x 10 and JH is a 5 tool player i can't say the same for Stanton , so i agreed with JEJ.

[jej]

No way. Stanton is a fine defense himself and even better on offense. Heyward is an average hitter with excellent defense. I'm choosing the former. Stanton offensive potential is wayyyy higher than Heyward. It not even a debate. Stanton has been better for the last 2 seasons. Heyward's superior defense doesn't make up for anything. Stanton's offensive gap is 10X bigger.

Did you just make that stuff up?

Heyward Career: .261/.352/.447 -- .350 wOBA -- 118 wRC+ -- 34.3 UZR 10.8 BSR -- 13.7 WAR

Stanton Career: .270/.350/.553 -- .383 wOBA -- 140 wRC+ -- 21.3 UZR -- -6.3 BSR -- 13.1 WAR

That is including Heyward injury riddled 2011. Take that out and he is at ~ .365 wOBA, 125 wRC+ career, with better defense and better base running than Stanton.

Its close either way. You are acting like Heyward is trash and Stanton is the second coming of Christ. It is probably the closest 1-2 of the whole list, so dont act like its so obvious.

[C-ross12]

C
1. Posey
2 .Mauer
3. Molina
4. Wieters
5. Montero
6. Santana
7. Ruiz
8. Perez
9. AJ Pierz
10. Salty

1. Zunino
2. D'Arnauld
3. Hedges

1B
1. Pujols
2. Votto
3. Fielder
4. AGon
5. Tex
6. Edwin En
7. Goldschmidt
8. LaRoche
9. Rizzo
10. Craig

1. Yelich
2. Cron
3. Vogelbach
(When Singelton return bump Cron and Vogel down)

2B
1. Ben Zobrist
2. Pedoria
3. Cano
4. Kipnis (taking a leap here)
5. Phillips
6. Hill
7. Weeks
8. Kinsler
9. Espinoza
10. Altuve

1. Wong
2. Schoop
3. Gennett

3B.
1. Cabrera
2. Longoria
3. Wright
4. Beltre
5. Zimmerman
6. Headley
7. ARam
8. Lawrie
9. Prado
10. Alvarez

1. Rendon
2. Olt
3. Gyorko

SS
1. Tulo
2. Desmond
3. Reyes
4. Castro
5. Andrus
6. Jeter
7. Cabrera
8. Rollins
9. Hanley
10. Simmons

1. Profar
2. Baez
3. Bogaerts

LF
1. Braun
2. Holliday
3. Hamilton
4. Upton
5. Gordon
6. Cargo
7. Cespedes
8. Soriano
9.Ludwig
10. Jennings

CF.
1. Trout
2. Kemp
3. Cutch
4. Harper
5. Jones
6. Jackson
7. Bourn
8. Span
9. Pagan
10. Jay

RF.
1. Stanton
2. Heyward
3. Bautista
4. Beltran
5. Swisher
6. Choo
7. Rios
8. Pence
9. Reddick
10. Hunter

1. Teveras
2. Myers
3. Hamilton
4. Buxton
5. Castellanos
6. Almora
7. Willams
8. Soler
9. Dahl

Top 30 pitchers
1. Verlander
2. Kershaw
3. Hernandez
4. Price
5. Hamels
6. Lee
7. Halladay
8. Strasburg
9. Weaver
10. Sabathia
11. Cain
12. Sale
13. Wainwright
14. Gio
15. Cueto
16. Dickey
17. Zimmerman
18. Bumgarner
19. Latos
20. Greinke
21. Johnson
22. Lester
23. Darvish
24. Shields
25. Peavey
26. Garza
27. Kennedy
28. Parker
29. Harrison
30. Sanchez

1. Bundy
2. Miller
3. Skaggs
4. Wheeler
5. Fernandez
6. Walker
7. Cole
8. Taillon
9. Hutzen
10. Syndergaard

Top closer

1. Kimbrel
2. Rivera
3. Papelbon

[Jeffy25]

Did you just make that stuff up?

Heyward Career: .261/.352/.447 -- .350 wOBA -- 118 wRC+ -- 34.3 UZR 10.8 BSR -- 13.7 WAR

Stanton Career: .270/.350/.553 -- .383 wOBA -- 140 wRC+ -- 21.3 UZR -- -6.3 BSR -- 13.1 WAR

That is including Heyward injury riddled 2011. Take that out and he is at ~ .365 wOBA, 125 wRC+ career, with better defense and better base running than Stanton.

Its close either way. You are acting like Heyward is trash and Stanton is the second coming of Christ. It is probably the closest 1-2 of the whole list, so dont act like its so obvious.

I feel Stanton is going to be better than Heyward. But he has to actually be on the field to do so.

I'm more concerned about his injury future than Heyward's, but I think he is a better ball player.

I placed Heyward over Stanton only because of injury concerns. A clean bill of health, and the better right fielder is Stanton.

I also struggled with a few catchers, like Mauer and Santana because of how much they actually catch.


EDIT - my first change is actually changing Stanton to ahead of Heyward. He is just going to be too good this year I think.

[Jeffy25]

C
1. Posey
2 .Mauer
3. Molina

1B
1. Pujols
2. Votto

9. Rizzo
10. Craig

2B
1. Ben Zobrist
2. Pedoria
3. Cano

Mauer over Molina?

Pujols still over Votto?

Rizzo over Craig?

Cano the third best second basemen after last year?

[d79cheese]

O Jeffy, you still have no idea where to place Cain on a top pitchers list. Without hesitation, he should be higher then Dickey, Cueto, Wainwright, Sale, and Weaver based on longevity and durability. You can also make very compelling arguments that he has been much more consistent then Hamels and Price. All he does is pitch 200+ innings every year, gives up hits at an elite low level, gives up runs at a well below average clip (park adjusted). All of this while greatly improving his periphals (K's and BB's) over each of the last 3-4 years. Then throw in the 2 WS rings with a 0 ERA in 2010 and 3 series clinching wins in 2012 playoffs.

[jej]

I feel Stanton is going to be better than Heyward. But he has to actually be on the field to do so.

I'm more concerned about his injury future than Heyward's, but I think he is a better ball player.

I placed Heyward over Stanton only because of injury concerns. A clean bill of health, and the better right fielder is Stanton.

I also struggled with a few catchers, like Mauer and Santana because of how much they actually catch.


EDIT - my first change is actually changing Stanton to ahead of Heyward. He is just going to be too good this year I think.

That's fair, but it's not a blowout like he said it was. Like I said, it's the closest 1-2 there is.

[VRP723]

Strasburg is 16th?! No way.