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    I can't believe this is going to make 3 pages of babbling about Utley/Sandberg without anyone mentioning a word about him having Ian Desmond as the best shortstop in baseball.

    Go home Brendan, you're drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnaround3 View Post
    I can't believe this is going to make 3 pages of babbling about Utley/Sandberg without anyone mentioning a word about him having Ian Desmond as the best shortstop in baseball.
    because WAR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees90. View Post
    Man, you are using WAR as in end all stat. Everyone on here will tell you that using ANY stat as an end all is extremely flawed. There is no single stat to tell you how good/great someone truly is. The best way, is to use as many stats as possible, both traditional and SABR.

    Using just WAR to determine how great someone is, is as stupid as using RBI to determine how great a hitter is, or Wins to determine how great a starter is. You use as many stats as available.

    For example. You try to say Utley is/was better than Sandberg. If that is true, especially considering Utley will never be the same, then that MUST mean Cano is better then both. Because CAREER WISE, Cano is/will be better then Utley. You see, its very easy to make ridiculous statements, because as of right now, at least until Cano's career is over, I would maybe still take Sandberg.
    Cano career fWAR/600 PA is 3.82
    Utley career fWAR/600 PA is 6.28

    Cano career rWAR/600 PA is 4.09
    Utley career rWAR/600 PA is 6.22

    Cano career wOBA is .366
    Utley career wOBA is .378

    Cano career wRC+ is 124
    Utley career wRC+ is 129

    Cano career UZR/150 is -3.8
    Utley career UZR/150 is 13.6

    Cano career DRS at 2B is +3
    Utley career DRS at 2B is +107

    ...

    I think you get the point.
    Aight, lemme end this with a KO right now:

    Ryne Sandberg: 9282 PA | 4.05 fWAR/600 | 4.2 rWAR/600 PA
    Chase Utley: 5128 PA | 6.32 fWAR/600 PA | 6.26 rWAR/600 PA

    Utley has 1/2 as many PAs right now...thats definitely whats hurting his HOF hopes, but he has been clearly more valuable than Sandberg in his career. If he can get another 2000 PA (3 full seasons) of 4.5+ WAR rate, then he >>> Sandbage

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    Where is Jeffy when you need him?

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    C Buster Posey Posey
    1B Votto (fielder too fat)
    2B Marco Scuttaro
    3B Miguel Cabrerra
    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Hunter Pence
    CF Andrew Mccutchen
    LF Ryan Braun

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    Ok, everyone is entitled to there opinion, regardless of how ridiculous it may sound sometimes. This is one of those times, so I will just go ahead and quickly play, then be done with this thread......maybe

    C- Posey (wanted Molina, but yeah, MVP)
    1B- Fielder
    2B- Cano
    3B- Beltre (has enough power, MUCH better glove then Miggy)
    SS- Jeter
    RF- Stanton
    CF- Trout
    LF- Harper
    P- King Felix

    Note: I know I know, you all see what I did with the outfield, and maybe I am not allowed to do that (harper plays center)

    But if anybody can find me a better outfield combination right now other then the one I just put up, I'll be waiting. Here is a hint: There is none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Over Da Pence View Post
    C Buster Posey Posey
    1B Votto (fielder too fat)
    2B Marco Scuttaro
    3B Miguel Cabrerra
    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Hunter Pence
    CF Andrew Mccutchen
    LF Ryan Braun
    No homerism in that list at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by canefandynasty View Post
    Cano career fWAR/600 PA is 3.82
    Utley career fWAR/600 PA is 6.28

    Cano career rWAR/600 PA is 4.09
    Utley career rWAR/600 PA is 6.22

    Cano career wOBA is .366
    Utley career wOBA is .378

    Cano career wRC+ is 124
    Utley career wRC+ is 129

    Cano career UZR/150 is -3.8
    Utley career UZR/150 is 13.6

    Cano career DRS at 2B is +3
    Utley career DRS at 2B is +107

    ...

    I think you get the point.
    Yes I do get the point.

    You are trying to tell me that Utley is better then Sandberg and Cano. Do you honestly not see anything wrong with that? You know what, nevermind, please don't answer that. You're argument is based ENTIRELY on WAR, which makes it not only extremely flawed, but, IMO, invalid.

    Now, off to see what the crazies in the Yankees forum are getting drunk and complaining about today.
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    Well tbh, Utley's prime were probably as good or better than Cano's and Sandberg. Add in Utley's superior defense and base running and it's easy to say utley was better

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexicano31 View Post
    Well tbh, Utley's prime were probably as good or better than Cano's and Sandberg. Add in Utley's superior defense and base running and it's easy to say utley was better

    This guy is saying career wise. You already know where I stand on Sandberg. But career wise, overall, I just can't see how Utley will be the better second baseman when all is said and done. Considering Utley may never be the same (has only had 3 healthy seasons out of 10 seasons in the MLB), and the fact that Cano not only has been great, but got even better this past year, I think Robbie is on pace to just blow the competition away. I don't necessarily mean all-time, but as it stands right now, these days, definitely.

    He is 30, I figure 3 more seasons of what you're used to seeing from Robbie, before he starts declining.
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    So he must be on roids then? He'll likely begin declining this year. And with his lack of plate discipline it will be a hard fall

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    Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised who fails for PED's these days anymore.
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    I'm sorry, but taking into consideration overall number, accomplishments (Awards), and the fact that Robbie is still in his prime and Utley is 34, I changed my mind. When all is said and done, Cano is going to crap on Utley lol

    Now I shall wait for the arguments, but I have there stats side by side right now, and I am scratching head.
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    1st Leg- April 23rd in Madrid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canefandynasty View Post
    Is that a sarcastic remark I see there? WAR is perhaps the most important single stat in all of baseball.
    Maybe, I'd agree more if defensive metrics weren't complete ****. The offensive metrics I agree with, but the bull of defensive advanced starts are complete trash at this point.

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