All mlb team

[canefandynasty]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOUR 2013 ALL-MLB TEAM:

C Buster Posey
1B Joey Votto
2B Robinson Cano
SS Ian Desmond
3B Miguel Cabrera
LF Ryan Braun
CF Mike Trout
RF Giancarlo Stanton
DH David Ortiz

SP Justin Verlander
SP Felix Hernandez
SP Clayton Kershaw
SP David Price
SP Chris Sale

RP Craig Kimbrel
RP Aroldis Chapman
RP Fernando Rodney
RP J.J. Putz
RP Joe Nathan

[nirvana235]

Who are you again?

[Yankees90.]

Wow! I was going to play along with this thread, but after reading that sig, I threw up. Excuse me while I go jump off a cliff.

[canefandynasty]

Wow! I was going to play along with this thread, but after reading that sig, I threw up. Excuse me while I go jump off a cliff.

Its true. Sandberg has a better career so far, but Utley is/was more talented.

[metswon69]

How is Joey Votto there when he missed 51 games?

And RA Dickey belongs on that list over Sale imo..

Similar WAR values but RA Dickey had more strikeouts, more innings pitched, the better WHIP, the better H/9 rate, the better BB/9 rate, the better K/BB ratio, and he won the Cy Young.

[Yankees90.]

No.

[Yankees90.]

How is Joey Votto there when he missed 51 games?

And RA Dickey belongs on that list over Sale imo..

Similar WAR values but RA Dickey had more strikeouts, more innings pitched, the better WHIP, the better H/9 rate, the better BB/9 rate, the better K/BB ratio, and he won the Cy Young.

Yeah but you're forgetting, WAR > All Stats

[canefandynasty]

How is Joey Votto there when he missed 51 games?

And RA Dickey belongs on that list over Sale imo..

Similar WAR values but RA Dickey had more strikeouts, more innings pitched, the better WHIP, the better H/9 rate, the better BB/9 rate, the better K/BB ratio, and he won the Cy Young.

No. Although Dickey is there statistically, Sale has a higher fWAR rate:

per 200 IP
Dickey: 4.04
Sale: 5.13

This probably means that although their season stats are similar, Sale was a little more consistent, while Dickey was more bipolar (relatively speaking).

And, yes Votto is BY FAR the best 1B. His fWAR rate (per 600 PA) is a whopping 7.45, easily #1 among 1B with 450+ PA

[canefandynasty]

Yeah but you're forgetting, WAR > All Stats

Is that a sarcastic remark I see there? WAR is perhaps the most important single stat in all of baseball.

[metswon69]

Yeah but you're forgetting, WAR > All Stats

Well if Sale belongs over Dickey because he had a slightly better WAR value than i don't agree.

Dickey deserves the nod to be in the top 5 SPs last year imo.

And Votto doesn't belong there imo because of the games missed.

[Yankees90.]

Is that a sarcastic remark I see there? WAR is perhaps the most important single stat in all of baseball.

[canefandynasty]

Well if Sale belongs over Dickey because he had a slightly better WAR value than i don't agree.

Dickey deserves the nod to be in the top 5 SPs last year imo.

And Votto doesn't belong there imo because of the games missed.

Sale's WAR rate is comfortably higher, not slightly higher.

Votto's production the last 2 seasons has easily exceeded any 1B in the majors.

[Yankees90.]

Well if Sale belongs over Dickey because he had a slightly better WAR value than i don't agree.

Dickey deserves the nod to be in the top 5 SPs last year imo.

And Votto doesn't belong there imo because of the games missed.

Just type in WAR for pitchers, WAR for hitters, and WAR for relievers...not hard to see what he did

[canefandynasty]

OK. Maybe a civil reply for once. Name a more important single stat in baseball for overall player's value...I'm waiting...

[metswon69]

No. Although Dickey is there statistically, Sale has a higher fWAR rate:

per 200 IP
Dickey: 4.04
Sale: 5.13

This probably means that although their season stats are similar, Sale was a little more consistent, while Dickey was more bipolar (relatively speaking).

And, yes Votto is BY FAR the best 1B. His fWAR rate (per 600 PA) is a whopping 7.45, easily #1 among 1B with 750+ PA

I know Votto had the highest WAR but i still think there is something to him missing 51 games last year.

As for Dickey, both fWAR and rWAR favor Sale but Dickey still belongs in his place imo.

Dickey had all those stats in his favor, not to mention they had similar K/9 rate (Dickey 8.9, Sale 9.0), the same HR/9 ratio, the same FIP (XFIP is unfair to knuckleballers to some extent because they naturally give up more home runs), and he also had 5 CGs and 3 shutouts to Sales 1 CG and no shutouts.

I'll take Dickey with all those stats in his favor, the similar to equal ones, and the fact that he won the Cy Young award.