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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Jeff Francoeur hit near .300 and drove in 100 once, and he wasn't anything special.
    Oh come on. Hitting .300ish and driving in 100 runs even just once in the MLB is damn good and damned hard. If it weren't, I'm sure Mets history would be just chock full of such examples. 'Special' as you well know, is when someone does it often. Also agree with Jomota about Frenchy.

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    Home run are not a completely useless stat.
    #oneatatime

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    If they find more refined stats so be it.

    More information is not a bad thing.

    Traditional baseball stats are very black and white, they don't account for all the variables and idiosyncrasies this game has.

    We are just pass the days where BA, home runs, fielding %, and specifically RBIS tell you everything about a positional player and same with ERA and especially wins telling you everything about a pitcher.
    Can the preaching and lose your assumptions that only you and some others pay attention to and understand numbers. Otherwise you sound like Buck Mulligan talking about Stephen Daedulus, "He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpagz3 View Post
    Home run are not a completely useless stat.
    Mr. Ruth thanks you.

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    He was though and Duda was horrible last year, that is how bad Frenchy was last year and hence he would not be the Mets best outfielder right now because he would be worst than Duda, as for his career he has had one, that is most than most people have done who have tried to make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomota View Post
    Didn't say he was all that good last year. And saying Duda was better is laughable. Francoeur is on the decline and has had a decent if unspectacular career. He also could bounce back a little. Duda was awful, unreliable and a bad fielder. He has nothing to bounce back from.

    But he's our Duda. We got him for now.
    Frenchy is a bad player.

    Duda might be bad as well but he has power potential, can get on base, and could have a decent OPS if he recovers offensively.

    Defensively they are both terrible although obviously Duda is worse and they are both negative baserunners as well.

    What hurts Francouer is he doesn't walk (5.6% and a .287 OBP is pathetic) and he was equally as bad as Duda at the plate last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnNY62 View Post
    Can the preaching and lose your assumptions that only you and some others pay attention to and understand numbers. Otherwise you sound like Buck Mulligan talking about Stephen Daedulus, "He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father.”
    Interesting that you would quote characters from one of the most confusing novels ever written. The last forty pages of Ulysses was written as one sentence with no punctuate or paragraphs. I've read it several times and still don't understand it. It was the UZR of literature.

    Like some advanced stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnNY62 View Post
    Can the preaching and lose your assumptions that only you and some others pay attention to and understand numbers. Otherwise you sound like Buck Mulligan talking about Stephen Daedulus, "He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father.”
    It's not a holier than thou attitude...

    Every baseball team in MLB use these stats to evaluate players so it's not just "digit" heads (as you called it) who sit in their rooms and calculate useless algorithms.

    It has validity.
    Last edited by metswon69; 02-03-2013 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    He was though and Duda was horrible last year, that is how bad Frenchy was last year and hence he would not be the Mets best outfielder right now because he would be worst than Duda, as for his career he has had one, that is most than most people have done who have tried to make it.
    This...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomota View Post
    Interesting that you would quote characters from one of the most confusing novels ever written. The last forty pages of Ulysses was written as one sentence with no punctuate or paragraphs. I've read it several times and still don't understand it. It was the UZR of literature.

    Like some advanced stats.
    Funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    It's not a holier than thou attitude...

    Every baseball team in MLB use these stats to evaluate players so it's not just "digit" heads (as you called it) who sit in their rooms and calculate useless algorithms.

    It has validity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnNY62 View Post
    Ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnNY62 View Post
    Um Dug, you hit a trifecta here:
    - You go off point to make a point. No one has been talking about what is "the best RBI man."
    - You underline the obvious .. who'd a thunk that men on base and especially RISP are advantageous to run producing hitters. Although you do ignore that lard ***** clogging the basepaths (even if they are RISP) also have an effect on one's ability to amass RBIs.
    - You throw a snotty attitude to wrap up your post.
    Basic stuff. Yo.
    You didn't agree?
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Nope, I care about the stats that actually matter.

    So what stats actually matter to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    So what stats actually matter to you?
    For hitters, all the traditional stats except RBI, with wOBA, wRC+, ISO, WPA, and WAR.

    For pitchers, all the traditional stats except wins and losses, with FIP, xFIP, SIERA, WPA, GB%, and SwStr%.

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