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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    They just don't want to pay anyone.

    Pursuing, linked, interested ad nauseum, very rarely do we ever read SIGNED...

    'At their price' ie: Less thas it will take.


    But there's money to spend...


    When it comes to relievers its best to get them at your price.

    Gotta's point about throwing significant money at pens is correct. All you need to do is look at a guy like Fernando Rodney last year to show you how bi polar certain pen arms can be.

    The guy has a 3.75 career ERA and last year it was 0.60 and he arguably had one of the best (if not the best) closer's season of all time.
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    I wouldn't mind to sign joey devine.He has good stuff and i think he can benifit from playing in citi field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    Throwing a multi year deal at FF was absurd from the start. The pen investments last winter should be regarded as Alderson's worst decisions as Met GM, other than losing Reyes for a 3rd round pick.
    Rauch was a decent sign though. He was very productive - and even dominant - starting in early June until he hit a wall the last week of the season. You cannot include Rauch in the above.
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    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Rauch was a decent sign. He was very productive starting in early June until he hit a wall the last week of the season. You cannot rank Rauch as a terrible signing.
    I agree, Rauch pitched well for the Mets last season.
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    I like the idea of having FF, Valverde, Feliciano, Hawkins and Byrdak as veterans along with Parnell, Edgin, Familia, Carson and Mejia. That's 10 arms to make 7 in the pen...three are either at AAA or on the DL. What we cannot afford is another year in which RR failed, Acosta stunk, Schwinden, Stinson, Hefner and Beato proved to be AAAA pitchers and Parnell and Rauch were underwhelming and FF fizzled. Six failures and two decent 8th inning guys and a mediocre closer. Adding three veterans and four kids reduces the risk of a meltdown. And remember, the pen last year fell apart after Santana and Gee were lost for the season and their replacements combined to go 3-13 6.50 in 22 GS with few starts lasting past the fifth inning----overwork leads to injury and ineffectiveness. A solid starting five plus Wheeler in the wings to spell Santana after the ASB when he needs to pitch every sixth day will make the entire staff look very much better. I figure a team ERA around 3.80 this year...about 5th in the league if they add a guy like Valverde.
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    Rauch was bad when it mattered most, when we were out of it, he started doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    When it comes to relievers its best to get them at your price.

    Gotta's point about throwing significant money at pens is correct. All you need to do is look at a guy like Fernando Rodney last year to show you how bi polar certain pen arms can be.

    The guy has a 3.75 career ERA and last year it was 0.60 and he arguably had one of the best (if not the best) closer's season of all time.

    Isn't it best to get everyone at your price? Trouble is the Mets price is always designed to be too low, they must think people are stupid, and it seems they're right in a lot of cases.

    They don't throw significant money anywhere. If pens are such a crap shoot, how come the Mets never have a good one?


    This is why Mets fans are risk-averse, there's nothing they like better than their team rummaging through the garbage. Always the same tune - cheaper is better, let's sign someone to minor league deal instead, let's keep payroll low...


    Oh noes get the worry beads out a player wants a 2 year deal!!! - OMG this could ruin the team for 10 years!!! - Oh the humanity!!! 2 years!!!

    I'm absolutely certain that this team attracts cheap fans. I have never seen a major market fan base that is so lily-livered and weak, so grateful for crumbs, so scared of trying to win, and the Coupons are the perfect owners for that kind of fan, because they're not too bothered about ever going for the gusto either.

    Just so weak and scared of success, far happier in the shadows sniping at Yankee fans, cheering on our loser team with no ambition that makes the post-season once a decade and then goes back to sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Rauch was bad when it mattered most, when we were out of it, he started doing well.

    Exactly, he was a waste of time. He pitched well when the season was over. Francisco (as predicted by many) was lousy from the get go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    They don't throw significant money anywhere. If pens are such a crapshoot, how come the Mets never have a good one?
    They had a hard time developing their own arms due to lack of pitching depth in the past.

    They were middle of the road in 2005.

    Had the second best ERA in baseball in 2006 (not coincidentally when they had the best regular season record in baseball) and middle of the road again in 2007.

    Part of an improving a team is having a dependable bullpen.

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    [QUOTE=metswon69;25278268]They had a hard time developing their own arms due to lack of pitching depth in the past.


    They should have spent money in the draft then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    They should have spent money in the draft then...
    Omar wasn't particularly good with young pitching talent and they sacrificed a lot of their higher end picks acquiring the likes of Beltran, Pedro, etc etc.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/...hing/split/128

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    They don't throw significant money anywhere. [B]If pens are such a crap shoot, how come the Mets never have a good one?
    The last two years they have sucked, but in 2010 they were quite good actually. They were 9th in ERA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Exactly, he was a waste of time. He pitched well when the season was over. Francisco (as predicted by many) was lousy from the get go.
    I and many others though Francisco would be good, while Rauch would suck. Nothing really suggested Francisco would suck really. He had solid ERAs in tough ballparks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Isn't it best to get everyone at your price? Trouble is the Mets price is always designed to be too low, they must think people are stupid, and it seems they're right in a lot of cases.

    They don't throw significant money anywhere. If pens are such a crap shoot, how come the Mets never have a good one?
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    Hey look there are reports they are willing to go to 4 million dollars on Valverde. He wants 7, if they meet in between he'll be signed.

    If not Cordero and K-Road are there too, they also have internal options at closer if they choose to go that route.

    This isn't baseball of 10 years ago, teams don't throw most closers and more specifically specialist relievers larger contracts.

    Even the Mets made a mistake giving K-Rod 3 years and 37 million dollars when they signed him but he was coming off a 62 save season and had all the leverage.

    There are few closers in the league worth that annual money (Rivera, Kimbrel) and that's why the philosophy is changing on spending copious amounts of money on bullpens in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Omar wasn't particularly good with young pitching talent and they sacrificed a lot of their higher end picks acquiring the likes of Beltran, Pedro, etc etc.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/...hing/split/128
    They also didn't spend much money....

    Quelle surpise.

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