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    Positional Value

    I've been meaning to make this thread for a few days. I've been debating this idea of positional value (specifically in relation to the Bears' pick). So, I'm looking for some other opinions. Do you believe in positional value? Do you think positional value should override a best player available approach? Is positional value something that should be taken in to account when constructing a big board?

    For example, I would consider Chance Warmack a better overall prospect than Lane Johnson. But, Warmack is a pure OG. So, even though I think Warmack is a better overall prospect I think I would be leery of taking him at 20, but I would take Lane Johnson.

    I don't have any statistical research and in a quick google search I didn't find any articles I liked. But, if you have any research I would like to see it.

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    Pretty sure there was a long article on it here last year IIRC.
    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Gabbert is clearly the best QB package in this draft in my opinion.
    All in all, if the Panthers are going to select a QB, Gabbert has to be the pick.
    People take this guy seriously?

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    I myself would never take a OG in the top 20 picks.

    So many good OGs have been taken in round 2-4.

    Its hard to find a good LT who wasn't taken in the 1st round. Few 2nd round guys and Petters who was a UDFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrench View Post
    I myself would never take a OG in the top 20 picks.

    So many good OGs have been taken in round 2-4.

    Its hard to find a good LT who wasn't taken in the 1st round. Few 2nd round guys and Petters who was a UDFA.
    Donald Penn too.

    Here's the draft slot of every projected LT for next year as of now.

    All the starting LT's. Projected for next year. Lowest to highest. 256 being a UDFA. Average pick # is the last number

    1
    3
    4
    4
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    8
    9
    12
    15
    17
    21
    22
    23
    26
    28
    33
    41
    41
    55
    60
    69
    75
    125
    142
    169
    218
    256
    256
    55.09375

    UDFA's were Peters and Donald Penn. Both pretty good.

    Those other high numbers, one is Newhouse, one is Gaither, one is Webb. One is uhh Bushrod. Missing one more, forget now.

    Basically 2/3 to 3/4 of the starting LT's in the NFL are second rounders or above or VERY close to being.
    Did this yesterday out of boredom.
    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Gabbert is clearly the best QB package in this draft in my opinion.
    All in all, if the Panthers are going to select a QB, Gabbert has to be the pick.
    People take this guy seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrench View Post
    I myself would never take a OG in the top 20 picks.

    So many good OGs have been taken in round 2-4.

    Its hard to find a good LT who wasn't taken in the 1st round. Few 2nd round guys and Petters who was a UDFA.


    Thats who reminds me of Warmack

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    Quote Originally Posted by flgatorsandjags View Post


    Thats who reminds me of Warmack
    I'd agree that he could/should be that level of player. But if he's not it's a ****** pick to blow on a guard that early.

    Sometimes though, players like OG or TE. End up being the safest picks just for the fact for them to get that high...it means they're REALLY ****ing good.
    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Gabbert is clearly the best QB package in this draft in my opinion.
    All in all, if the Panthers are going to select a QB, Gabbert has to be the pick.
    People take this guy seriously?

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    If you can get an elite player it is worth the #1 overall it's much better than having a player at a sexy position who may not even be a top 10-15 player.

    Who would you rather have

    Newton
    Okung
    Trent Williams
    Crabtree
    Alex Smith
    Claiborne
    Haden
    ect.

    Or
    A rookie
    Steve Hutchinson
    AP
    Iupati
    Haloti
    JJ Watt
    Keuchly
    Ed Reed
    Earl Thomas
    Eric Berry

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander_37 View Post
    If you can get an elite player it is worth the #1 overall it's much better than having a player at a sexy position who may not even be a top 10-15 player.

    Who would you rather have

    Newton
    Okung
    Trent Williams
    Crabtree
    Alex Smith
    Claiborne
    Haden
    ect.

    Or
    A rookie
    Steve Hutchinson
    AP
    Iupati
    Haloti
    JJ Watt
    Keuchly
    Ed Reed
    Earl Thomas
    Eric Berry
    Okung and Williams turned into Probowl OTs, Haden is one of the better corners but I know what your sayin

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    Something else is that an elite guard or safety isn't as expensive as the other positions but can have just as much of an impact. Especially an elite safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    Something else is that an elite guard or safety isn't as expensive as the other positions but can have just as much of an impact. Especially an elite safety.
    I think SF proved the value of elite non LT lineman. I have a football crush on Iupati, he is basically the perfect guard. He improves everyone elses play because he never needs a double team. Staley went from good to elite this year because of Iupati.

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    If you were an NFL GM and are told you can pick one of these 3 options which would you choose

    Pro Bowl Defensive End for $15 million a year

    Pro Bowl Cornerback for $15 million a year

    Pro Bowl Safety and Pro Bowl Guard for $15 million a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    If you were an NFL GM and are told you can pick one of these 3 options which would you choose

    Pro Bowl Defensive End for $15 million a year

    Pro Bowl Cornerback for $15 million a year

    Pro Bowl Safety and Pro Bowl Guard for $15 million a year
    Corner. Top corners are fewer and far between even though I value pass rush more.

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